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Originally Posted by tdol PS- I'm not sure that I get this:
"...that (a), and (b)", is ",and (b)"
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I meant to say " if there is a "...that (a), and (b)" construction, is ",and (b)" included in the "that-clause?".
"And" is a conjunction, right? So I'm wondering if the "that-clause" includes not only (a), but also the ",and-(b)" part, in the same way as it includes ",even if (b)".
By the way, I don't really understand this part of your comments: "the and clause is less important".