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Old 02-Sep-2005, 11:19
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Default Re: advanced grammar problem - part 1 - help needed

I've been going over some examples in my mind and I've got some doubts about them. Let's have a look at some examples :

1. All of a sudden there broke a bottle on the table

The thing is, that even though I know that this one is wrong I've got some doubts about the reason why it is wrong. It includes the locative - "on the table" so one condition is fulfilled. But the verb doesn't have a form of "BE". But... let's think it over for a while. Is is the REAL reason why the sentence is wrong ? I guess there may be another, even more important, reason.

Let's think of "broke" or it's first form "break" as a verb that actually says that something "is" or "exists" - I mean, if something breaks it somehow has to exist at first. What I am driving at is "The Change Of State". Maybe it's the change of state that makes this sentence wrong. Becasue as far as the verb "to break" is concerned, it somehow describes the existence - subconsciouslly. It's just my tortuous reasoning :D but I have to know if I'm completely wrong or not...

Besides, my lecturer told me that if there is a change of state, then indeed, "there ins. structure" is NOT possible

Okey, another example :

2. There prevailed a mutuall distrust between the two groups.

Ok, at first sight this one is correct. Probably it is correct anyway but... what about "prevailed" ? One may think of it as "appearance" but one may think of it as "change of state". In other words - what's the explanation here ? What makes this sentence correct ?

3. There corresponded a set of materials to each course of study.

Again - what's the explanation here ? Is it the "existnece" included in the meaning of "corresponded" ?

4. There emanated the goddes Varuni from the ocean.

Correct, but ! What about the rule that says "no definite noun phrase/noun" in sentences beginning with "There" ???

5. There was a dog running in circles.

Wrong. Becasue there's no locative. So what about "There was a dog running loose" ? I found it with google.com.

6. There lurks a monster in every woman.

Correct, but again - why ? "lurks" doesn't have figurative meaning - "exist", does it ?

7. There sang a woman in the cold November night.

Again - doesn't "sang" convey the fact that she "existed" ?

8. A ravishing naked girl bathed in the pool.

The locative is ok - "in the pool"; can "bathed" name the "existence" ?

9. There drifted in the distance a humongous palace of diamonds and crystals

Is this one correct because of : a) "locative" where - "in the distnace" or b) becasue of "drifted" meaning "was there" and "existed" ?

10. Would it be possible to say "There grew a flower there" ? Is "There grew a flower" itself is ok ?

11. Coming back to the example number one - here is an example of the change of state. "There opened a door" - this one is wrong, isn't it ? And I guess it's because there is the change of state, but I'm not sure and I don't want to suggest you any answer becasue it may be wrong.

And the last one :

12. There broke riots all over the city.

Is the main reason for it's correctness, that "broke out" = "appeared" or "all over the city" = the locative ?

Uf, that's all. I hope my questions won'e be a problem ;) Thanks a lot. Take care.

Oh, and by the way - if you come across any mistakes, in the general form and grammar of this post, please let me know.

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