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Old 28-Oct-2003, 11:25
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A-I asked my dad that we (he and me and may-be my sister too) leave.
B-I asked my dad for us to leave.
If these two are acceptable, then I wonder whether:
D-"I asked that we leave."
and:
E-"I asked for us to leave."
could not be acceptable.
A- is okay, only iff,

I asked my dad this. (wherein 'this' stands for 'that we leave'. In that way, "I" and "we" are not bound reflexibly).

B- is not okay. 'for' is a problem.

D- is okay, only iff,

I asked this. (wherein 'this' stands for 'that we leave'. Again, same as A-. 'this' represents a phrase or sentence spoken.)

E- is not okay. 'for' is a problem.

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Imagine a child who says to his father: "Dad, let's go, please." How can you put that into indirect speech? Would you use, "He asked his dad if they could leave." in this context?
Yes Notice that 'if' also stands for 'this':

He asked his dad this: if they could leave.

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"If" gives the impression to me that the person is asking for permission, but "that" implies to me that he is suggesting that they leave, but he is in a sort of inferior position.
Well, given the context ('asked'), I'd say a) both 'that...' and 'if' function as the object of "asked", b) 'that' expresses words spoken, and c) 'if...' expresses a condition. That is, 'that...' is nominal in form, whereas 'if...' is sentencial in form.

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I might be completely wrong of-course, in which case don't hesitate to tell me.
"I asked my dad this: that we leave" does indeed sound rather odd for a child to utter to his dad. The reason being, I believe, is that 'asked that', which, by the way, is a polite request, is adult speech and hence not something we'd expect to hear a child utter.

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