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jnsummer
05-Jun-2003, 05:11
i've been teaching at a senior middle school in china and i'm looking for some advice on how to make 60 kids pay attention and actually listen for a change. their english is poor but they just don't listen to begin with. please help!

dduck
05-Jun-2003, 19:47
I think the first rule of teaching is:

The students are most interested in themselves. 8)

So, find out which topics interest your students e.g. fashion, music, relationships, computers, sports etc. and use this information to interest them in your lessons.

Also, if at all possible, allow the students to interact - if not control the direction of your lessons. According to the first rule, the lesson should be all about them.

Iain

Tdol
07-Jun-2003, 20:55
i've been teaching at a senior middle school in china and i'm looking for some advice on how to make 60 kids pay attention and actually listen for a change. their english is poor but they just don't listen to begin with. please help!
What audio equipment do you have?

RonBee
08-Jun-2003, 22:10
i've been teaching at a senior middle school in china and i'm looking for some advice on how to make 60 kids pay attention and actually listen for a change. their english is poor but they just don't listen to begin with. please help!

It might be helpful to use a prop. I used to have a teddy bear that I used sometimes when talking to "my" kids. Also, rhyme might be useful. I have written quite a few rhymes especially for kids, and I also can devise some especially for your purposes.

8)

jnsummer
12-Jun-2003, 14:46
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What audio equipment do you have?[/quote]

hi tdol, my audio gear consists of a crappy cassette player and me trying to shout over 60 'kids'. actually these 'kids' are around 18 in chronological years but in china that's around 12.

Tdol
12-Jun-2003, 14:49
Are you trying to get them to develop heir listening skills or just shut up? I'm afraid I teach adults in cosy small classes so I have never really had to deal with people not listening. ;-(

lucyarliwu
12-Jun-2003, 14:52
i've been teaching at a senior middle school in china and i'm looking for some advice on how to make 60 kids pay attention and actually listen for a change. their english is poor but they just don't listen to begin with. please help!


Hi Jamie!

More patience is needed and necessary as a teacher especial teaching foreign language to non-English speakers in my opinion :)
You 'll make it :)

jnsummer
12-Jun-2003, 14:56
i've been teaching at a senior middle school in china and i'm looking for some advice on how to make 60 kids pay attention and actually listen for a change. their english is poor but they just don't listen to begin with. please help!

It might be helpful to use a prop. I used to have a teddy bear that I used sometimes when talking to "my" kids. Also, rhyme might be useful. I have written quite a few rhymes especially for kids, and I also can devise some especially for your purposes.

8)

hi Ronbee,

you might have seen my reply to tdol. my 'kids' are big kids but their mental age doesn't reflect their actual years. i think a teddy would probably work in the class room. i had a go at them the other day and told them that until they can learn to listen when they are told i will treat them like little babies. they understood what i meant. it's sad that i have to belittle them and humiliate them but it seems to be working. and they're all behaving much better.

today i said to a student...."now where's your piece of paper, where's your pen?? here's some paper and here's a pen. now take the pen and write on the paper like this......the rest of the class was having a great laugh at his expense :lol: . maybe this paints a bit of a picture as to what teaching in china is like.

jnsummer
12-Jun-2003, 15:08
Hi Jamie!

More patience is needed and necessary as a teacher especial teaching foreign language to non-English speakers in my opinion :)
You 'll make it :)[/quote]

you get to a certain point when you know that further progress won't be made until you instill some serious discipline into the classroom. patience i have, discipline i have. my students seriously lack self discipline and that's what i'm also trying to teach them as well as listening and speaking skills.

RonBee
12-Jun-2003, 15:42
today i said to a student...."now where's your piece of paper, where's your pen?? here's some paper and here's a pen. now take the pen and write on the paper like this......the rest of the class was having a great laugh at his expense :lol: . maybe this paints a bit of a picture as to what teaching in china is like.

It's unfortunate that you are having so much trouble getting your students to pay attention. It is difficult to teach somebody who is not paying attention, and they, of course, are not going to learn much. However, it is a bit of a stretch for you to say that your experience is typical. I don't think you know that for sure.

It is certainly clear at this point that I originally thought you were teaching younger students than you are. Of course, that doesn't mean that my ideas are bad ones. You can still use props. (You might not want to use a teddy bear with older "kids", but it probably depends on how you would use it.) Also, rhyme can be an effective teaching tool for any age group, especially as a memory aid.

8)

jnsummer
12-Jun-2003, 16:09
i'm open to any suggestions and ideas you may have, thanks. :D

but i don't recall saying that my experiences here in china are typical of the whole country. i do know many other teachers in many different parts of china that have experienced the same problems as i have. i have taught at university here and also some friends of mine are currently teaching at universities and they've had some terrible problems with their students. basically if they don't want to learn then they make it damn difficult for the teacher and distract the other students from learning.

i am progressing slowly with my class which is good and they are paying more attention than before. i hope it continues

RonBee
12-Jun-2003, 17:24
The student is rewarded for paying attention, and the teacher is rewarded for being patient.

8)

Tdol
13-Jun-2003, 00:35
Maybe activities that divide the class into smaller groups would make things more manageable, rather than running head-on into 60 students, which is an enormous and daunting number. ;-)

jnsummer
13-Jun-2003, 06:55
Maybe activities that divide the class into smaller groups would make things more manageable, rather than running head-on into 60 students, which is an enormous and daunting number. ;-)Quite right tdol and i've used a couple of group activities that went well but i'm having trouble devising activities (that don't require a lot of photocopying and cutting up pieces of paper) that would utilise smaller groups. and also monitioring them so as to make sure they're using the language and not just fooling around is difficult.

vocab games, memory games, taboo and games like that go well.

Tdol
13-Jun-2003, 22:23
Info gap?

shane
18-Jun-2003, 06:36
Jamie, don't you have a Chinese teacher in your classes?? I know exactly how it is (My biggest class here was 76 middle school kids once), I have found that instead of acting as a teacher's assistant, the local teacher is quite happy to sit at the back of the class, head down, doing some marking or something.

You really should try to make the school give you a Chinese teacher to help you in class. It's the system here, and they know it. They are just trying to get out of it (a common problem).

Anytime I had a problem class like yours, I told the principal I'm not going in the class without a Chinese teacher. That seemed to work. :D

hth

Tdol
18-Jun-2003, 13:46
76!!!!

I'd need police protection. ;-(

shane
21-Jun-2003, 15:17
76!!!!

I'd need police protection. ;-(

:D 8)

Tdol
23-Jun-2003, 21:34
And valium. ;-)

lucyarliwu
24-Jun-2003, 07:31
And valium. ;-)


What does 'valium ' mean please, Tdol?

:) And I guess the school Shane is working at must be a famous and important middle school in the local place, which is obviously to attract more students who are crammed into one limited classroom ;)

RonBee
24-Jun-2003, 13:20
And valium. ;-)


What does 'valium ' mean please, Tdol?

Valium is a drug that calms people down. It is a sedative.



:) And I guess the school Shane is working at must be a famous and important middle school in the local place, which is obviously to attract more students who are crammed into one limited classroom ;)

That would seem to be quite a crowded classroom.

8)

shane
24-Jun-2003, 13:27
And valium. ;-)


What does 'valium ' mean please, Tdol?

:) And I guess the school Shane is working at must be a famous and important middle school in the local place, which is obviously to attract more students who are crammed into one limited classroom ;)

Lucy, Valium is "" (ҩ) An1 Ding4 (Yao4) - hope you can see that :D

Now you have the Chinese, I guess it saves Tdol an explanation! :lol:
(DOH!! Ronbee is too fast!!)

Oh, and that particular school wasn't big or famous (as far as I can remember); they just decided to put two classes together one time :?

Shane

RonBee
24-Jun-2003, 16:54
Now you have the Chinese, I guess it saves Tdol an explanation! :lol:
(DOH!! Ronbee is too fast!!)



Shane

Sorry. :wink:

8)

lucyarliwu
25-Jun-2003, 12:07
Valium is a drug that calms people down. It is a sedative.
8)

Thanks Ron for the explanation in English! :)

Thanks Shane for the explanation in Chinese! :)

I'm so happy to get both of your warm-hearted help!
What about some cool beers for hot summer?! ;)
It's on me!

:drinking: Cheers!

shane
25-Jun-2003, 14:45
Thanks for the beer Lucy, is it Qingdao beer?? I like Qingdao..mmm... :D

lucyarliwu
25-Jun-2003, 16:04
Thanks for the beer Lucy, is it Qingdao beer?? I like Qingdao..mmm... :D


You're welcome. Shane!

Wow, what about Harbin Beer, especially Harbin Dried Beer! ;) I bet you will like it too just like Qstingdao Beer! Those two bands of beer are my favorates so far.
Have you tried some draft beer here in China, so fresh ! :)

RonBee
25-Jun-2003, 17:16
Lucy, I'm drinking my beer.
Thank you for sending some here.

:D

8)

http://www.usingenglish.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4442#4442

shane
25-Jun-2003, 22:19
Wow, what about Harbin Beer, especially Harbin Dried Beer! ;) I bet you will like it too just like Qstingdao Beer! Those two bands of beer are my favorates so far.
Have you tried some draft beer here in China, so fresh ! :)
Unfortunately, I haven't had the pleasure of enjoying Harbin dry beer (yet); here in Dalian 'Black lion' is very popular.

When I was in Shenyang, I used to enjoy sitting on the street at an open restaurant at 11pm in summer, drinking a cool glass of draft beer....Ahh, such memories :D

lucyarliwu
26-Jun-2003, 04:53
Unfortunately, I haven't had the pleasure of enjoying Harbin dry beer (yet); here in Dalian 'Black lion' is very popular.

When I was in Shenyang, I used to enjoy sitting on the street at an open restaurant at 11pm in summer, drinking a cool glass of draft beer....Ahh, such memories :D

Hi Shane!

Would you please share me something about life in Dalian? Like nice places of interests, good restaurants, or cool night bars, or whatever, I might have a tour in Dalian soon,thanks in advance. :)

P.S. I'd also love to know something about Shenyang if you don't mind :)
Thanks!
Here is my email add: lucyarliwu@yahoo.com.cn

shane
26-Jun-2003, 05:23
Sure thing Lucy; I'll email you with some info ASAP! :D

Shane

Tdol
26-Jun-2003, 19:48
Dried beer?????

shane
27-Jun-2003, 09:18
Dried beer?????

Yep, comes on a stick :wink: :P

Tdol
27-Jun-2003, 20:43
Sounds cool. ;-)

lucyarliwu
30-Jun-2003, 10:17
Dried beer?????


Sorry, Tdol, it should be "dry beer"!
:oops: :P

shane
30-Jun-2003, 13:42
Dried beer?????


Sorry, Tdol, it should be "dry beer"!
:oops: :P

But "dried beer" sounds nice, like a snack :wink:

Tdol
02-Jul-2003, 23:40
It's an intriguing concept. ;-)

jwschang
18-Oct-2003, 20:20
Dried beer?????


Sorry, Tdol, it should be "dry beer"!
:oops: :P

But "dried beer" sounds nice, like a snack :wink:

This interesting thread like kind of ended suddenly. What happened to jnsummer and her 60 'kids'? :roll:

RonBee
18-Oct-2003, 22:00
This interesting thread like kind of ended suddenly. What happened to jnsummer and her 60 'kids'? :roll:

I don't know, but Lucy hasn't been around in a while. Which is too bad.

:(

lucyarliwu
28-Oct-2003, 11:36
I don't know, but Lucy hasn't been around in a while. Which is too bad.

:(

Sorry Ron!

I haven't thought I made you so upset because of my long term absence.
Indeed I do sometimes come to have a look of the website but just without taking part in any topics of forum.Sorry again, I think I will later.

Lucy from China :-)

RonBee
28-Oct-2003, 13:57
I don't know, but Lucy hasn't been around in a while. Which is too bad.

:(

Sorry Ron!

I haven't thought I made you so upset because of my long term absence.
Indeed I do sometimes come to have a look of the website but just without taking part in any topics of forum.Sorry again, I think I will later.

Lucy from China :-)

No need to apologize. It is certainly true that you have been in my thoughts. It's good to know that you are "lurking" if not posting.

It is interesting how many Chinese posters there are on this forum, isn't it? This is truly an international forum.

I hope I am doing well enough. Some people seem to think so. :)

It's good to hear from you again.

:D

Tdol
28-Oct-2003, 13:57
Nice to see you again. I hope all's well with you in China. ;-)