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    Default Re: When to use Returns, Return, Gets, and Get

    Quote Originally Posted by fenglish View Post
    Thanks.

    Are all the nouns of following form as third pronoun?

    a) Mary verb(s)... (person's name)
    b) The Sun verb(s)... (object's name)
    b) This/That/Which Event verb(s)... (this xxx, that xxx, which xxx)
    Mary = she = third person singular.
    The sun = it = third person singular.
    This + noun = it = third person singular.
    That + noun = it = third person singular.
    Which is a bit different, it's a question tag.
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    Default Re: When to use Returns, Return, Gets, and Get

    Quote Originally Posted by emsr2d2 View Post
    The three sentences you have given are all in the third person singular, yes.
    You can replace Mary with "she".
    You can replace The Sun with "it"
    This/that/which are all 3rd person singular uses.

    I'm not sure, however, why you have put (person's/object's name) in bold as that part of the sentence has no bearing on the verb usage.
    I am not sure the exact meaning of "why you have put (person's/object's name) in bold as that part of the sentence has no bearing on the verb usage",

    In many cases, I saw some sentences do not have any pronoun, it only starts with a verb/verb(s), this is the root of my confusing.

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    Default Re: When to use Returns, Return, Gets, and Get

    Hello fenglish

    a) Returns something to somebody.
    b) Return something to somebody.

    Example a) is wrong because the verb returns doesn't have a subject. (Note, when there is an -s at then end of a verb, it means the verb agrees in number with its subject, for example He returns something to somebody.) Example a) doesn't have a subject, so the verb return shouldn't be inflected, have -s.

    Example b) is correct because the verb return is in its base form; it's not inflected, which is its dictionary form. In other words, return is short for to return.

    The same holds true for examples c) and d). It's (to) get something for someone, not gets something for someone.

    Hope that helps.
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    Default Re: When to use Returns, Return, Gets, and Get

    Quote Originally Posted by Soup View Post
    Hello fenglish

    a) Returns something to somebody.
    b) Return something to somebody.

    Example a) is wrong because the verb returns doesn't have a subject. (Note, when there is an -s at then end of a verb, it means the verb agrees in number with its subject, for example He returns something to somebody.) Example a) doesn't have a subject, so the verb return shouldn't be inflected, have -s.

    Example b) is correct because the verb return is in its base form; it's not inflected, which is its dictionary form. In other words, return is short for to return.

    The same holds true for examples c) and d). It's (to) get something for someone, not gets something for someone.

    Hope that helps.
    Thanks.

    I have just googled these 3 phrases: "Works with", "Working with", and "Work with".

    a). Google Keyword: Works with site:microsoft.com

    Found this link which link's title is "Works with Windows Vista" : Works with Windows Vista: Technical Details

    b). Google Keyword: Working with site:microsoft.com

    Found this link which link's title is "Working with Windows Mail" : Working with Windows Mail - Windows Vista Help

    c). Google Keyword: Work with site:microsoft.com

    Found this link which link's title is "Work with clips in Windows Movie Maker" : Work with clips in Windows Movie Maker - Windows Vista Help

    Now, I have below 2 questions:

    1). if "Returns something to somebody" is wrong, does the "Works with Windows Vista" is also wrong?

    2). What is the exact meaning of "Works with Windows Vista", "Working with Windows Vista", and "Work with Windows Vista"?

    Thanks.

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    Default Re: When to use Returns, Return, Gets, and Get

    Quote Originally Posted by fenglish View Post

    if "Returns something to somebody" is wrong, does the "Works with Windows Vista" is also wrong?
    It's elliptical, or short for a longer sentence:
    (In order) To create an application that Works with Windows Vista, you will need ... .

    The subject is an application. It agrees with the verb Works.
    Hope that helps.
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    Default Re: When to use Returns, Return, Gets, and Get

    Quote Originally Posted by Soup View Post
    It's elliptical, or short for a longer sentence:
    (In order) To create an application that Works with Windows Vista, you will need ... .

    The subject is an application. It agrees with the verb Works.
    Hope that helps.
    Thanks,

    Now, I have understand the usage of "verb-s".

    But still have question about the usage of "verb-ing" and "to verb".

    I know exactly about "Work with Windows Vista" is means "To work with Windows Vista", but not exactly about the meaning of "Working with Windows Vista", in my idea, "Working with" is the same as "Work with".
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    Default Re: When to use Returns, Return, Gets, and Get

    Quote Originally Posted by fenglish View Post
    Thanks,

    Now, I have understand the usage of "verb-s".

    But still have question about the usage of "verb-ing" and "to verb".

    I know exactly about "Work with Windows Vista" is means "To work with Windows Vista", but not exactly about the meaning of "Working with Windows Vista", in my idea, "Working with" is the same as "Work with".
    'I work with Windows Vista' means that, in general, I use Windows Vista.
    'I am working with Windows Vista' means at the moment/for this period of time, I am using Windows Vista.
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    Default Re: When to use Returns, Return, Gets, and Get

    Quote Originally Posted by fenglish View Post
    I know exactly about "Work with Windows Vista" is means "To work with Windows Vista", but not exactly about the meaning of "Working with Windows Vista", in my idea, "Working with" is the same as "Work with".
    A word that ends in -ing has several functions:

    1. Working with ... could be a gerund:

    • Working with Windows Vista is easy.
    • Here is a How-to guide on Working with Windows Vista.

    In the first example, the phrase in bold functions as the subject of the verb is. In the second example, it functions as the object of the preposition on. The phrase Working with Windows Vista is headed by the gerund Working, and for the reason it's called a gerundival phrase.

    Gerunds look like verbs because they end in -ing, but they are not verbs. They occupy the subject or object positions in a sentence, which makes them nouns:

    • I like swimming. <object of the verb like>
    • Swimming is fun. <subject of the verb is>
    • Here is a How-to guide on Working with Windows Vista. <object of the preposition on>


    Like verbs, however, gerunds can take objects:

    • I don't like swimming with you. <its object is with you>
    • I like working with Windows Vista. <its object is with Windows Vista>



    2. Working with ... could be a present participle, as they too are nominals that end in -ing:

    • I am working with Windows Vista. <present participle>
    • Working with Windows Vista How-to guide <participle; adjective>

    In the first example, working is part of the present continuous verb is working, which is how it gets the name "participle": it's part of something bigger.

    In the second example, Working with Windows Vista modifies the noun phrase How-to guide--it tells us what kind of guide it is: it's a "working with Windows Vista" How-to guide--and that makes it an adjective in function.

    In short, the phrase Working with Windows Vista can be interpreted in several ways because ellipsis is at play there. My pick would be:

    • (a How-to guide on) Working with Windows Vista


    Hope that helps.
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    Default Re: When to use Returns, Return, Gets, and Get

    Quote Originally Posted by Soup View Post
    A word that ends in -ing has several functions:

    1. Working with ... could be a gerund:

    • Working with Windows Vista is easy.
    • Here is a How-to guide on Working with Windows Vista.

    In the first example, the phrase in bold functions as the subject of the verb is. In the second example, it functions as the object of the preposition on. The phrase Working with Windows Vista is headed by the gerund Working, and for the reason it's called a gerundival phrase.

    Gerunds look like verbs because they end in -ing, but they are not verbs. They occupy the subject or object positions in a sentence, which makes them nouns:

    • I like swimming. <object of the verb like>
    • Swimming is fun. <subject of the verb is>
    • Here is a How-to guide on Working with Windows Vista. <object of the preposition on>


    Like verbs, however, gerunds can take objects:

    • I don't like swimming with you. <its object is with you>
    • I like working with Windows Vista. <its object is with Windows Vista>



    2. Working with ... could be a present participle, as they too are nominals that end in -ing:

    • I am working with Windows Vista. <present participle>
    • Working with Windows Vista How-to guide <participle; adjective>

    In the first example, working is part of the present continuous verb is working, which is how it gets the name "participle": it's part of something bigger.

    In the second example, Working with Windows Vista modifies the noun phrase How-to guide--it tells us what kind of guide it is: it's a "working with Windows Vista" How-to guide--and that makes it an adjective in function.

    In short, the phrase Working with Windows Vista can be interpreted in several ways because ellipsis is at play there. My pick would be:

    • (a How-to guide on) Working with Windows Vista


    Hope that helps.
    Thanks, it's great help for me.

    But I still have question about the usage of "noun-ing", for example, "Banking", is it the same as "Working" (verb-ing) ?

    In what case we should add "-ing" to a noun?
    If a noun is added with "-ing", in general, how we to understand it's meaning?
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    Default Re: When to use Returns, Return, Gets, and Get

    You're most welcome.

    Quote Originally Posted by fenglish View Post
    But I still have question about the usage of "noun-ing", for example, "Banking", is it the same as "Working" (verb-ing)?
    It depends on where the word sits in the sentence.

    1. If it sits in a subject or object position, it's a gerund. You interpret it as a noun, as a thing.
    2. If it modifies a noun, it's a participle. You interpret it as an adjective. It describes the noun in more detail.
    3. If it is part of a continuous verb, it's a present participle. You interpret it as an action.


    Hope that helps.

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    In what case we should should we add ...

    It's a question, so invert/switch the subject and its auxiliary verb.
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