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Old 11-Feb-2005, 16:00
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Default What isn't a split infinitive?

Do you agree with this statement:

http://www.yaelf.com/aueFAQ/mifsplitinfinitive.shtml

Phrases consisting of "to be" or "to have" followed by an adverb
and a participle are *not* split infinitives, and constitute the
natural word order. "To generally be accepted" and "to always have
thought" are split infinitives; "to be generally accepted" and "to
have always thought" are not.
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Default Re: What isn't a split infinitive?

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Do you agree with this statement:

Phrases consisting of "to be" or "to have" followed by an adverb
and a participle are *not* split infinitives, and constitute the
natural word order. "To generally be accepted" and "to always have
thought" are split infinitives; "to be generally accepted" and "to
have always thought" are not.
Yes. "infinitive" refers to the verb, not to its object:

Infinitive verb: [to be]
Object: [accepted]
Verb phrase: [ [to be] [accepted] ]

The adverb can go anywhere outside the verb boundary ([. . .]) or the verb phrase boundary, but never inside the verb boundary. If that happens, it splits the integrity of the infinitive structure:

[to be] generally [accepted]
generally [to be] [accepted]
[to be] [accepted] generally

[to generally be] [accepted] (split infinitive)
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Yes. "infinitive" refers to the verb, not to its object:

Infinitive verb: [to be]
Object: [accepted]
Verb phrase: [ [to be] [accepted] ]

The adverb can go anywhere outside the verb boundary ([. . .]) or the verb phrase boundary, but never inside the verb boundary. If that happens, it splits the integrity of the infinitive structure:

[to be] generally [accepted]
generally [to be] [accepted]
[to be] [accepted] generally

[to generally be] [accepted] (split infinitive)
I agree. Thanks for the swift reply.

What do you think of this written by a NS who claims to be an authority on English grammar?

to be understood - passive infinitive
to clearly be understood - split infinitive
to be clearly understood - split infinitive
to be understood clearly - no split

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Default Re: What isn't a split infinitive?

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I agree. Thanks for the swift reply.
You're welcome, M56.

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What do you think of this written by a NS who claims to be an authority on English grammar?

1. to be understood - passive infinitive
2. to clearly be understood - split infinitive
3. to be clearly understood - split infinitive
4. to be understood clearly - no split
Let's check it out:

1. For us to be understood, we have to. . . . (passive infinitive)
2. For us to clearly be understood, we have to. . . . (split infinitive)
3. For us to be clearly understood, we have to. . . . (split infintive)
4. For us to be understood clearly, we have to. . . . (no split)

Clearly, there's a split in 2.
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Default Re: What isn't a split infinitive?

Is the NS suggesting that #3 is incorrect or needs rewriting because of the alleged split? If so, I disagree.
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Is the NS suggesting that #3 is incorrect or needs rewriting because of the alleged split? If so, I disagree.
He is suggesting it is correct. He says that the whole thing ("to be understood") is a unit and cannot be split.
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They are all okay with me. Split all you like. In my humble opinion, split infinitives are not something to worry about.

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Default Re: What isn't a split infinitive?

To me split infinitive seems to be pedantic, especially when overused.


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To me split infinitive seems to be pedantic, especially when overused.


Interesting, Tuangpi. Could you elaborate?
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