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Old 24-Sep-2009, 18:16
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"On December 1 a report appeared in a local newspaper about it."

How does one read the date above?

- "On December the first a report ... "
- "On December first a report ... "
- "On December one a report ... "

And similarly "On December 5 the case was closed."

In the book I am reading, the dates come just like above (that is, with simple cardinal numbers, not ordinal ones). I guess it would be the same to write instead "On December 5th the case was closed." But when it is written as cardinal, should one read as ordinal?
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"On December 1 a report appeared in a local newspaper about it."

How does one read the date above?

- "On December the first a report ... "
- "On December first a report ... "
- "On December one a report ... "

And similarly "On December 5 the case was closed."

In the book I am reading, the dates come just like above (that is, with simple cardinal numbers, not ordinal ones). I guess it would be the same to write instead "On December 5th the case was closed." But when it is written as cardinal, should one read as ordinal?
"On December 5th the case was closed." is ok, but would more usually be written and spoken as......

On the 5th of December...........

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"On December 5th the case was closed." is ok, but would more usually be written and spoken as......

On the 5th of December...........

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That is what I used to think about dates buggles. However, I am reading a book where dates appear like that: "On December 5 ...". This book was written by an English author, in 1974. When I read those passages, my mind keeps pronouncing them like "On December fifth ... " or "On December the fifth ...", so is such 'mind behaviour' of mine correct?
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It certainly is!
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While reading two other independent books, I continued finding dates written this way:
"The following morning, Wednesday 30, 1832, in an isolated field ... "
"On September 28, 2000, Lulu ate several ... "

1) Are dates ever written like "On September 28th, ... "?
2) I am still in doubt on how to read out loud sentences like that. When we read out loud "On Semptember 28, 2000, Lulu ... " do we pronounce something like "On September the twenty-eighth of two thousand ... ", or do we pronounce the way it is written?

One of the mentioned books was about some grammar rules, and it stated that a comma is mandatory after the day of the month, that is:

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"On December 1, a report appeared in a local newspaper about it."
Is such comma after "1" above obrigatory, the book I mentioned in the first post of this thread did not use it.
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Old 28-Dec-2009, 21:21
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While reading two other independent books, I continued finding dates written this way:
"The following morning, Wednesday 30, 1832, in an isolated field ... "
"On September 28, 2000, Lulu ate several ... "

1) Are dates ever written like "On September 28th, ... "?
As you have quoted is exactly how I would write them, not with the "th" or "st" (etc.). On some occasions (formal invitations for example) we write something like "On the thirty-first of March."

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2) I am still in doubt on how to read out loud sentences like that. When we read out loud "On Semptember 28, 2000, Lulu ... " do we pronounce something like "On September the twenty-eighth of two thousand ... ", or do we pronounce the way it is written?
Reading it aloud, I would say "On September twenty-eighth, two thousand, Lulu..."

EDIT: I accidentally omitted the very important "H" - I would say "28th" out loud. Sorry about that!
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Most people tend to use the American version, almost always shorter.
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Most people tend to use the American version, almost always shorter.
Do you mean "On 28 December, ... " is the American version while "On 28th December, ... " is the British version?
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"On December 28th, ... " (said out loud) is the American version. We generally put the number after the month. We would say this even though we write "On December 28, ..."

If I was reading something that said "On 28 December" I would say either "On twenty-eight December" or "On the 28th of December" -- and it might just depend on my mood which one.
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"On December 28th, ... " (said out loud) is the American version. We generally put the number after the month. We would say this even though we write "On December 28, ..."

If I was reading something that said "On 28 December" I would say either "On twenty-eight December" or "On the 28th of December" -- and it might just depend on my mood which one.
Thanks Barb_D, now it is completely clear to me.
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