Go Back   UsingEnglish.com ESL Forum > Learning English > Ask a Teacher


Like Tree2Likes
  • 1 Post By The French
  • 1 Post By Soup

Closed Thread
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 21-Nov-2009, 10:16
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 165
Member Type: Student or Learner
Default a lollipop VS the lollipop

I would like to know, how to deal with the word "lollipop". It seems that it's always used with an indefinite article "a", even when used more times in our speach. And with a definite article "the" only when it's connected to something e.g. The Lollipop Girl... . Am I wrong? Can I use "a lollipop" first time and "the lollipop" every next time I will mention "lollipop"?
  #2  
Old 21-Nov-2009, 12:01
Soup's Avatar
VIP Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 5,893
Home Country: Canada
Native Language: English
Current Location: China
Member Type: English Teacher
Default Re: a lollipop VS the lollipop

It depends on how you want to modify the word lollipop. For example, the Lollipop Girl is a specific person or character, whereas a Lollipop Girl is one of many, not a particular Lollipop Girl.
  #3  
Old 21-Nov-2009, 12:45
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 618
Home Country: France
Native Language: French
Current Location: France
Member Type: Student or Learner
Smile Re: a lollipop VS the lollipop

Quote:
Originally Posted by thx0110 View Post
I would like to know, how to deal with the word "lollipop". It seems that it's always used with an indefinite article "a", even when used more times in our speach. And with a definite article "the" only when it's connected to something e.g. The Lollipop Girl... . Am I wrong? Can I use "a lollipop" first time and "the lollipop" every next time I will mention "lollipop"?
Hello I am a student, not a teacher,

but the use of the definite article implies that both persons, the speaker and the listener know about who or what you are taking.

It's depend of the situation, maybe if there is only one lollipop in a room, you can use 'the' at second time you speak about this girl.

For me if people around you know who is the lollipop you must use the definite article, it's what I mean.

Hope it's help you.

See you soon.
  #4  
Old 21-Nov-2009, 13:28
Member
Threadstarter  
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 165
Member Type: Student or Learner
Default Re: a lollipop VS the lollipop VS lollipop

Thanks, but what about this famous song. Some articles are completely missing, e.g. "But lollipop is mine" or "Call my baby lollipop" or this refrain "Lollipop lollipop, oh lolli lolli lolli" Why? Is it just a wrong translation? :

Lollipop - Beverly Ross and Julius Dixon (Lyrics and Chords)

ARTIST: Beverly Ross and Julius Dixon
TITLE: Lollipop
Lyrics and Chords


{Refrain}
Lollipop lollipop, oh lolli lolli lolli
Lollipop lollipop, oh lolli lolli lolli
Lollipop lollipop, oh lolli lolli lolli
Lollipop (*pop*)

/ C Am Dm7 G7 / / / C - G7 - /

Call my baby lollipop, tell you why
His kiss is sweeter than an apple pie
And when he does his shaky rockin' dance
Man, I haven't got a chance

/ C F C F / C Am7 Dm7 G7 / 1st / G7 - - - /

I call him
{Refrain}

Sweeter than candy on a stick
Huckleberry, cherry or lime
If you had a choice, he'd be your pick
But lollipop is mine

/ F - - - / C F C - / F - - - / D7 - G7 - /

{Refrain}

Crazy way he thrills me, tell you why
Just like a lightning from the sky
He loves to kiss me till I can't see straight
Gee, my lollipop is great

I call him
{Refrain}
  #5  
Old 21-Nov-2009, 16:20
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 618
Home Country: France
Native Language: French
Current Location: France
Member Type: Student or Learner
Default Re: a lollipop VS the lollipop VS lollipop

Hello,

I know this song but I think it's like in title newspapers they often write in telegraphic style.

I am not sure , I'm just a learner.

I believe sometimes the writers take liberties with formal English writing.

Hope it's help you. Sorry but I can't help you more like this.

Have a nice day.
  #6  
Old 21-Nov-2009, 16:31
Soup's Avatar
VIP Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 5,893
Home Country: Canada
Native Language: English
Current Location: China
Member Type: English Teacher
Default Re: a lollipop VS the lollipop VS lollipop

thx0110,

Lollipop is used as a name; i.e. "Call my baby (this name:) Lollipop", much like, say, Dad is used for father or Mom for mother. Those are not their names, of course, but nonetheless they represent names, and the reason a determiner isn't required.
  #7  
Old 21-Nov-2009, 16:44
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 618
Home Country: France
Native Language: French
Current Location: France
Member Type: Student or Learner
Smile Re: a lollipop VS the lollipop VS lollipop

Quote:
Originally Posted by Soup View Post
thx0110,

Lollipop is used as a name; i.e. "Call my baby (this name:) Lollipop", much like, say, Dad is used for father or Mom for mother. Those are not their names, of course, but nonetheless they represent names, and the reason a determiner isn't required.
Hello Soup,

these three words, Dad, Mon, and Lollipop behave themselves like proper nouns and naturallly we can't omit the use of determiners.

Am I right?

Thanks Soup ( you have an original name).
  #8  
Old 21-Nov-2009, 17:46
Soup's Avatar
VIP Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 5,893
Home Country: Canada
Native Language: English
Current Location: China
Member Type: English Teacher
Default Re: a lollipop VS the lollipop VS lollipop

Quote:
Originally Posted by The French View Post
Hello Soup,

[T]hese three words, Dad, Mo[m], and Lollipop behave themselves like proper nouns and natura[ll]y we can
't omit the use of determiners.

Am I right?
If you mean that proper nouns don't require a determiner, then, yes, you are most indubitably correct.

-----------
Thank you for the compliment.
Closed Thread

Bookmarks


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT. The time now is 05:39.



Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO ©2011, Crawlability, Inc.