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    Default Re: Both + negative sentence

    Woulkd it be possible in a statement not a question?

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    Would it be possible in a statement not a question?
    Good point. It brings to mind . . ., well, another "rare" usage. Consider this,

    Here's a riddle. I have two coins in my pocket. One is not a nickle (= 5 pennies) and one is not a quarter (= 25 pennies). Both are not nickles, and both are not quarters.

    Answer: One is a nickle and one is a quarter.

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    Default Re: Both + negative sentence

    Other than riddles?????

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    Other than riddles?????
    I believe context is the determinant.

    [1] Both are not secretaries.
    => Of the two one is (not) a secretary

    It's not the default reading, agreed, but it's possible, at least in my dialect. "Both" refers to a set, and that set is made up of two individual items. Negate the set and we get reading [a]; negate the individual items within that set and we get reading [b].

    [a] neither is a secretary
    [b] one is (not) a secretary

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    Default Re: Both + negative sentence

    Interesting- there's no way I'd get the 'one is not' meaning from that.

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