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in and of itself
Is "and of" redundant?
The fact that one has a herniated disc is not a bad thing in and of itself.
Thanks.
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Re: in and of itself
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Re: in and of itself

Originally Posted by
Gillnetter
"In and of itself" is a set phrase in English. It is used here to indicate that the thing in question is not a bad thing, though there may be other things that are worse. For example, "The fact that one has a herniated disc is not a bad thing in and of itself, but the cracked spine will be a problem." One could write, "The fact that one has a herniated disc is not a bad thing", but, by writing it this way, the option to discuss other problems is not available.
I think you misunderstood my question. I understand the meaning of "in and of itself," but I think one could simply write "in itself" and there would be no difference in meaning.
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