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    Default request that ...should/will

    I have learned that when "request" (as a verb) is used with a that clause, the verb in the that clause is used with "shall" in British English (but this "shall" is omitted in American English) in the same manner as "recommend", "order", "suggest" etc.


    For example, in Standard Operating Procedures of a company,
    The managers then request that the headquarters should provide them with the latest information.



    My question is, how about "will"? Is it wrong if "will" is used instead of "shall"?
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    Default Re: request that ...should/will

    Your question is solely about BrE?
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    Default Re: request that ...should/will

    Information about AmE would also be appreciated.
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    Default Re: request that ...should/will

    In the American English that I write, I would omit "should."

    The managers then request that headquarters provide the latest information.
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    Default Re: request that ...should/will

    Quote Originally Posted by Barb_D View Post
    In the American English that I write, I would omit "should."

    The managers then request that headquarters provide the latest information.
    I agree, that's the way I would write too. I'm not too sure about the function of "then" in that sentence though.
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    Default Re: request that ...should/will

    Quote Originally Posted by bhaisahab View Post
    I agree, that's the way I would write too. I'm not too sure about the function of "then" in that sentence though.
    Then = in such cases, in these circumstances?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fivejedjon View Post
    Then = in such cases, in these circumstances?
    Yes it could be, but without context it looks odd to me.
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    Default Re: request that ...should/will

    Quote Originally Posted by bhaisahab View Post
    Yes it could be, but without context it looks odd to me.
    I agree.

    I have tried to create possible contexts, and failed. In fact, the more I look at it the more unlikely the original sentence seems, with or without then - given that it comes from a company's SOPs.

    Did you take this sentence unchanged from a company's Standard Operating Procedures, pinkie9?
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    Default Re: request that ...should/will

    Thank you everyone.

    No, I changed a part of the original sentence in the SOP because it is strictly confidential. There is a preceding sentence, so I think "then" is fine.

    My question is still, how about "will"?
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    Default Re: request that ...should/will

    Quote Originally Posted by pinkie9 View Post
    Thank you everyone.

    No, I changed a part of the original sentence in the SOP because it is strictly confidential. There is a preceding sentence, so I think "then" is fine.

    My question is still, how about "will"?
    No, "will" doesn't work.
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