as and that

[jiang]

Dear teachers,

Firms have found that the number of staff___________ is needed for quality control can be substantially reduced.

a. that b. as

The key is "a". No problem. But I think "b" is also possible since it can introduce relative clause. Is that right?

Looking forward to hearing from you.
Thank you in advance.

Jiang

[5jj]

Firms have found that the number of staff___________ is needed for quality control can be substantially reduced.

a. that b. as

The key is "a". No problem. But I think "b" is also possible since it can introduce relative clause. Is that right?Jiang

No

[TheParser]

Dear teachers,

Firms have found that the number of staff___________ is needed for quality control can be substantially reduced.

a. that b. as

The key is "a". No problem. But I think "b" is also possible since it can introduce relative clause. Is that right?

Looking forward to hearing from you.
Thank you in advance.

Jiang

***** NOT A TEACHER *****


(1) As is used as a relative pronoun after the words such and same.

(a) Name such persons as you know to be capable.

(b) He has the same qualifications as I have.

Source: House and Harman, Descriptive English Grammar (1950), page 63.

*****

The following is ONLY my opinion. "As," then, would be a relative

pronoun in something like:

Firms have hired only such staff as is needed for quality control.

Firm A has the same number of staff as Firm B (has).

[jiang]

Hi fivejedjon,

I am afraid I get confused. The following is from my grammar book:

He is absent, as is often the case.
He is a teacher, as is clear from his mannner.

To they are of the same structure. Is thati right?

Looking forward to hearing from you.
Thank you in advance.

Jiang

No

[jiang]

Hi The Parser,
I am afraid I get confused. The following is from my grammar book:

He is absent, as is often the case.
He is a teacher, as is clear from his mannner.

To they are of the same structure. Is thati right?

Looking forward to hearing from you.
Thank you in advance.

Jiang

***** NOT A TEACHER *****


(1) As is used as a relative pronoun after the words such and same.

(a) Name such persons as you know to be capable.

(b) He has the same qualifications as I have.

Source: House and Harman, Descriptive English Grammar (1950), page 63.

*****

The following is ONLY my opinion. "As," then, would be a relative

pronoun in something like:

Firms have hired only such staff as is needed for quality control.

Firm A has the same number of staff as Firm B (has).

[TheParser]

Hi The Parser,
I am afraid I get confused. The following is from my grammar book:

He is absent, as is often the case.
He is a teacher, as is clear from his mannner.

To they are of the same structure. Is thati right?

Looking forward to hearing from you.
Thank you in advance.

Jiang

***** NOT A TEACHER *****


(1) I believe that you are 100% correct.

(a) English Review Grammar by Mr. Walter Kay Smart says:

A special use of as as a relative pronoun is shown in the following

sentences.

The plan was impractical, as the speaker proceeded to explain.
However, he was right, as later developments proved.
As [was] predicted, the parade was a success.
[My note: I think that you could also say: The parade was a success, as
predicted. Native speakers often delete (leave out) the "was."]

Mr. Smart says that the use of "as" in these sentences "refers to a

whole statement."

Mr. Smart then adds something very important. He reminds us that

some writers prefer to use "which" as a relative pronoun to refer to the

idea in a preceding sentence. He says that his first example could also

be written as: The plan was impractical, which the speaker proceeded to

demonstrate.

IMPORTANT: Mr. Smart (and others) remind us that when we use

"as" or "which" in such sentences, that word = a fact that.

Thus, "He is a teacher, a fact that is clear from his manner." According to

Mr. Smart, this kind of as/which relative clause is almost like a parenthetical

expression.

(2) Here is a sentence from Random House Webster's Unabridged

Dictionary:

She did her job well, as can be proved by the record.

[My note: In other words:

She did her job well. That fact (that she did her job well) can be

proved by the record.]

[jiang]

Hi TheParser,

Thank you so much for your help and thank you so much for spending so much time typing the explanation to my question. It must have been time-consuming.

I understand your explanation.

Jiang

***** NOT A TEACHER *****


(1) I believe that you are 100% correct.

(a) English Review Grammar by Mr. Walter Kay Smart says:

A special use of as as a relative pronoun is shown in the following

sentences.

The plan was impractical, as the speaker proceeded to explain.
However, he was right, as later developments proved.
As [was] predicted, the parade was a success.
[My note: I think that you could also say: The parade was a success, as
predicted. Native speakers often delete (leave out) the "was."]

Mr. Smart says that the use of "as" in these sentences "refers to a

whole statement."

Mr. Smart then adds something very important. He reminds us that

some writers prefer to use "which" as a relative pronoun to refer to the

idea in a preceding sentence. He says that his first example could also

be written as: The plan was impractical, which the speaker proceeded to

demonstrate.

IMPORTANT: Mr. Smart (and others) remind us that when we use

"as" or "which" in such sentences, that word = a fact that.

Thus, "He is a teacher, a fact that is clear from his manner." According to

Mr. Smart, this kind of as/which relative clause is almost like a parenthetical

expression.

(2) Here is a sentence from Random House Webster's Unabridged

Dictionary:

She did her job well, as can be proved by the record.

[My note: In other words:

She did her job well. That fact (that she did her job well) can be

proved by the record.]