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    Hi,

    Today's aspiring player has a choice of school programs, method and theory books, videos and transcriptions. ''I can recall back in the early '60s, when it was sort of taboo for jazz to be presented in the classroom,'' said Greg Carroll, the jazz education association's director of education. ''Now it's unusual if a music program does not have a jazz program embedded within it.'' This profusion of information may be a mixed blessing. ''You can learn every Coltrane solo there is without ever listening to a record,'' the saxophonist Bill Pierce said recently in his office at the Berklee College of Music, where he is the chairman of the woodwind department.

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    Is the sentence in blue grammatically correct?
    Does this sentence mean "You can learn every Coltrane solo that there is without ever listening to a record"?
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    Default Re: there is -- that there is?

    Yes.
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    Default Re: there is -- that there is?

    Thank you.

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    Default Re: there is -- that there is?

    You could remove there is if you like.
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    Default Re: there is -- that there is?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tdol View Post
    You could remove there is if you like.

    NOT A TEACHER


    Since most books tell us learners that the word "there" is -- grammatically

    speaking -- superfluous, I was wondering whether we could also say:


    You can learn every Coltrane solo that is without ever listening to a record.

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    Default Re: there is -- that there is?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheParser View Post
    NOT A TEACHER


    Since most books tell us learners that the word "there" is -- grammatically

    speaking -- superfluous, I was wondering whether we could also say:


    You can learn every Coltrane solo that is without ever listening to a record.
    No, that doesn't work.

    You can learn every Coltrane solo that exists (or which exists) without ever ....
    You can learn every Coltrane solo [there is] without ever ....
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