- 1 Post By Allen165
- 2 Post By Tdol
- 1 Post By TheParser
- 3 Post By 5jj
- 1 Post By Raymott
- 2 Post By TheParser
"We cannot accept that you are the owner of the ideas and creations born from the collaboration."
I would've written "that you be." I think the subjunctive is necessary here. What do you think?
Apart from fossilised expressions, I don't use the present subjunctive and the original sounds fine to me. (BrE speaker)
NOT A TEACHER
(1) I am delighted to share with you the views of one expert. (IF I understood him correctly.)
(2) Mr. Wilson Follett in "Modern American Usage" makes this point:
"Accept," unlike most verbs denoting a mental process, is ill at ease with a substantive [noun]
clause. He feels the gerund is proper. He says that a "that" clause after "accept" is not idiomatic.
(3) He might (I think) prefer:
We cannot accept your being the owner of the ideas and creations born from the collaboration.
(4) Furthermore, he says that if a writer insists on a "that clause," she COULD use that "overworked
locution" [his words] One accepts ... the fact that.
(a) So I guess (guess) that he might approve of:
We cannot accept the fact that you are .... (But he says that this would only make sense if the writer is
actually referring to a FACT.)
(5) If I understand your sentence, X (the person whom you are addressing) wishes to be the owner of the
ideas. He is NOT, in fact, the owner at this time. So I can understand why you are thinking about the
beloved subjunctive. But maybe "accept" does not take the subjunctive. So maybe you would have to
express the idea something like:
We cannot accept your wish/desire to be the owner ..../ We cannot accept your wanting / wishing to be the owner ....
The subjunctive, even for those who still use it, is not appropriate here.
Context is important. Please provide enough for us to be able to deal effectively with your question.
Your thread title should include all or part of the word/phrase being discussed.
If you just want to know the meaning of a word, try OneLook Dictionary Search first.
No, that would have to be in the subjunctive in many languages, but not in English.
Originally Posted by Allen165
With the indicative, it means "We don't believe it", which is possibly what you mean.
With the subjunctive, it means "We can't accept that you be/become the owner ..." But this would be phrased differently by most people. Maybe, "We cannot allow a situation where you become accepted as being the owner of the ideas ..."
If you wanted to use the subjunctive, "We cannot accept that you be credited with the ownership of the ideas ..." This one sounds fine to me. But few people would insist on the subjunctive as long as your meaning was clear.
***** NOT A TEACHER *****
Allen, how about this sentence?
We cannot accept your demand/wish/desire that you be the sole owner of the ideas and creations born from our collaboration.
(I hear that the "British subjunctive" often includes "should." Thus:
Your demand that you should be ....)
By Adam Cruge in forum Ask a Teacher
Last Post: 15-Jul-2010, 18:02
By daisy1352 in forum Ask a Teacher
Last Post: 02-Dec-2009, 09:57
By SwordAngel in forum General Language Discussions
Last Post: 25-Apr-2009, 03:01
By DebsWells in forum Ask a Teacher
Last Post: 03-Sep-2007, 16:16
By balakrishnanijk in forum Ask a Teacher
Last Post: 03-Aug-2007, 22:04
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO