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    Hi,

    As we all know that the world cup which is held every four years in a different country.

    -This year we got the world cup as a team of England.

    -This year we have got the world cup as a team of England.

    Which one is more appropriate to use? Thanks...

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    Default Re: simple past vs present perf.

    Quote Originally Posted by aysaa View Post
    As we all know that the world cup which is held every four years in a different country.
    'As weall know, the world cup ...' or 'We all know that the world cup ...
    -This year we got the world cup as a team of England.
    -This year we have got the world cup as a team of England.
    I am afraid that I don't know what you mean by the words I have underlined.
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    Default Re: simple past vs present perf.

    Quote Originally Posted by aysaa View Post
    Hi,

    As we all know, that the world cup which is held every four years in a different country.

    -This year we got the world cup as a team of England.

    -This year we have got the world cup as a team of England.

    Which one is more appropriate to use? Thanks...
    Neither. Your sentences don't make sense.

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    Win the cup...Sorry.

    -This year, we won the world cup.
    -This year, we have won the world cup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aysaa View Post
    Win the cup...Sorry.

    -This year, we won the world cup. This is correct.
    -This year, we have won the world cup. This is not so good.*
    * We don't use the present perfect (a present tense) with an adverbial of past time. "This year" is still happening, but it obviously refers to an event in the past. There are contexts in which the second sentence is possible, but it's not a good template sentence for learning good English.
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    Default Re: simple past vs present perf.

    Thanks for the answer... But we can say 'we have won the world cup', unless we don't use 'this year' in that sentence, is that right?
    Last edited by aysaa; 04-Apr-2012 at 07:51.

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    Default Re: simple past vs present perf.

    Quote Originally Posted by aysaa View Post
    Thanks for the answer... But we can say 'we have won the world cup', unless we don't use 'this year' in that sentence, is that right?
    Certainly. As I said, in some contexts you can also use "have won" with "this year", eg. "So far this year we have won the National Championships, the European Cup, and the World Cup. What more can our fans expect of us?" That is, the year is still going on, so we can use the present perfect.
    What you definitely can't say is "Last year we have won the World Cup."
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