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Old 28-Oct-2003, 11:45
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Are these sentences all correct:
1-I don't care THAT he smokes.
2-I don't care IF he smokes.
3-I don't care WHETHER he smokes.


Is there any difference between:
1-I don't care if he smokes.
and:
2-I don't care about his smoking.

Doesn't the second sentence imply that I know for a fact that he does smoke but it is of no importance to me, while the first sentence simply says I don't care if he smokes or not, without implying that he necessarily does smoke (may-be I don't know whether he smokes or not and I don't care).
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Old 28-Oct-2003, 12:47
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1-I don't care THAT he smokes.
2-I don't care IF he smokes.
3-I don't care WHETHER he smokes.
Yes, they are all fine.
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1-I don't care if he smokes.
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2-I don't care about his smoking.
Hmmm, that's a good question. I'll have to think about that.
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Is there any difference between:
1-I don't care if he smokes.
and:
2-I don't care about his smoking.
They seem to mean different things, but without any context it is hard to tell. In the case of the second sentence I think the speaker is definitely talking about someone who smokes. He is saying it doesn't bother him. Hm. Maybe they are the same after all.

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The "guest" was me. Something went wrong when I logged in. I logged in again to post the other questions.
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Old 29-Oct-2003, 12:11
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The "guest" was me. Something went wrong when I logged in. I logged in again to post the other questions.
Thanks Red5 and RonBee.

There is this Screamin' Jay Hawkins song, "I Put a Spell on You", which, by the way, I find fantastic. In it, he says: "I don't care if you don't love me. I love you anyhow." The sentence is definitely correct. The question is whether he is sure that the lady in question doesn't love her or whether he doesn't know if she loves him or not!!
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There is this Screamin' Jay Hawkins song, "I Put a Spell on You", which, by the way, I find fantastic. In it, he says: "I don't care if you don't love me. I love you anyhow." The sentence is definitely correct. The question is whether he is sure that the lady in question doesn't love her or whether he doesn't know if she loves him or not!!
It seems to me that she doesn't love him. That is why (I think) he sings, "I don't care if you don't love me. I love you anyhow." However, there is the possibility that he is just not sure. And he is saying that he loves her in any case. However, if he has put a spell on her it really shouldn't make any difference, should it? :wink:

I can't really be sure which it is, and perhaps that is the point. If he had said "I don't care that you don't love me" that would remove any ambiguity. However, I think the ambiguity is supposed to be there. What do you think?

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    I Put a Spell on You -Screamin' Jay Hawkins

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The question is whether he is sure that the lady in question doesn't love him or whether he doesn't know if she loves him or not!!
He knows she doesn't love him. That's why he puts a spell on her: to make her love him. :D

While she's under his spell, he sings, "I don't care if you don't love me (for real). I love you anyhow."
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Is there any difference between:

1-I don't care if he smokes.

and:

2-I don't care about his smoking.
Yes. There's a difference. "care if he smokes" refers to the action of smoking, whereas 'care about his smoking' refers to an object: his habit. Furthermore, "care for his smoking" refers to both the action and the habit.

I don't care for his smoking.

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I think you have made a good point about the difference between "care about his smoking" and "care if he smokes". But I think "care FOR his smoking" means something else altogether. Doesn't it mean "I don't like his smoking"?
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