
Originally Posted by
rewboss In fact, now that I think about it: "had have", whatever it is, is not the past perfect tense of "to have". The past perfect is formed from these two elements:
the past tense of "to have", which is "had";
the past participle of the main verb.
The past participle of "to have" is also "had", giving "had had", thus: "If you had not had said", which I have never heard a native speaker say. I can't think of any tense formed with "to have" plus the basic form of the main verb.
Spenser's book gives the only possible correct version.