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Old 27-Jun-2006, 10:57
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My mother tongue doesn't keeps in such structures as Perfect and Progressive Tenses. To simplify understanding those things, is it possible to translate every word in this structures separately? That is:

Ex1: I have done it - May HAVE and DONE here to be "translated" separately: HAVE = some RESULT of mine, and DONE is considered not as participle but as adjective (by the way what difference between feeling adjectives and participles?), for example as PERFORMED ???

Ex2: It has been done. The same as above: every of three HAS BEEN and DONE has self-standing meaning.

Ex3: I am doing somthing. Here AM and DOING.

Ex4: I am being done. Here three again - AM BEING and DONE

Ex5: I have been doing it. more three - HAVE BEEN and DOING
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Welcome, KottCoos.

They are not treated separately.

Present Perfect: from some unknown time in the past up until now.
I have done it. <HAVE + ED/EN>
Я делал его.

Present Perfect Continuous: same as above + the action is still going on
I have been doing it. <HAVE + BEEN + -ING>
Я делал его.

Present Continuous: the action is going on right now
I am doing something. <BE (am, is, are) + -ing
Я делаю что-то.

Passive: someone did something
It has been done. <OBJECT + VERB + (SUBJECT)
Оно было сделано.

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Welcome, KottCoos.
They are not treated separately.
Present Perfect: from some unknown time in the past up until now.
I have done it. <HAVE + ED/EN>
Я делал его.
Present Perfect Continuous: same as above + the action is still going on
I have been doing it. <HAVE + BEEN + -ING>
Я делал его.
Present Continuous: the action is going on right now
I am doing something. <BE (am, is, are) + -ing
Я делаю что-то.
Passive: someone did something
It has been done. <OBJECT + VERB + (SUBJECT)
Оно было сделано.
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Try to come up to another side:

any englishspeaking person from its birth starts "soaking" mother tongue and this soaking keeps in the Perfect Tenses. Couldn't you explain how kids "process" it.
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It's fairly similar to, but not exactly like, how young children under 4, no matter their native language, learn songs. They hear it, they mimic it, later on opportunity and expose kick in and they learn what the words and phrases mean and how to use them in different contexts. The same holds true for learning tenses. Is that the answer you are looking for?
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Passive: someone did something
It has been done. <OBJECT + VERB + (SUBJECT)
Оно было сделано.
I think most grammar books will say that "it" is the subject, because in a passive sentence, the subject is the receiver of the action.
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It's fairly similar to, but not exactly like, how young children under 4, no matter their native language, learn songs. They hear it, they mimic it, later on opportunity and expose kick in and they learn what the words and phrases mean and how to use them in different contexts. The same holds true for learning tenses. Is that the answer you are looking for?
Quite that, but would be of very interest to know details on kids' mastering tenses ?????

By the way, it goes like without special programms on learning tenses for kids it's impossible to learn out those tenses. But, taking to count natural way of things - there shouldn't be any "crutches" for these things - they go thier way driving free. I mean - parents explain the tenses or kids just "monkey" against their parents with MT ???

By the way, strange thing. Look:

done - this word has self-standing meaning
done work - two words have self-standing meanings

but if I make an add-up of HE HAS, the sentence HE HAS DONE WORK loses meaning of two words at once ?????

PS: Cas, English is your MT or not ???
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Sorry, forgot to set a smile in my PS above - :)
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