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Collectivism is a belief in the primary importance of the group rather than the individual. It asserts that the collective is more than just a group of people who interact with each other, that the people are one. Collectivism asserts that the collective has a single identity, which is made up of a group of individuals. It attempts to take a group of individuals and make them into a single entity similar to a person. In Collectivism the individual comes second to the collective. The standard of good in a collectivist system is whether or not it benefits the group rather than the individual. By this definition it is ethical to ignore the needs and life of a single person if the group has something to gain.. There is no individual gain in collectivism. The failures and success of the group are given to everyone evenly. If the collective does something great like create a new energy source the scientists and technicians would be given the same amount of create as another person in the collective who had no idea that type of research was going on. In order to understand this we must examine it more closely.
Collectivism tries unsuccessfully to balance the needs of its people. Never has every single need of every single person been meat because some have been sacrificed for the sake of the society. Collectivism doesn't disparage responsibility; but it does not hold individuals accountable for the choices they make. When people in the society fail to save for retirement, make bad investments, or become addicted to drugs or smoking these issues are turned into “social problems” that “society” must handle. This is why collectivists try to protect its people from the bad decisions that they make. The responsibility in a Collectivist society should only go o those who know what to do with it.
Regarding production, collectivism sees society as the agent of production. As a result, wealth belongs to ``society.' This becomes a problem when it is time to distribute the any profits that that society acquires. Collectivist countries will make up their own rules of what they deem to be “social justice,” and then the few in charge will had out the wealth as they see fit.
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Collectivism is a belief in the primary importance of the group rather than the individual. It asserts that the collective is more than just a group of people who interact with each other, that the people are one. Collectivism asserts that the collective has a single identity, which is made up of a group of individuals.
Are those claims made by the philosophy or by those who adhere to that philosophy?

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In Collectivism the individual comes second to the collective.
It might be a good idea to replace In Collectivism with In collectivist societies.
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Here's a good text on the subject of Liberty:
http://www.la.utexas.edu/research/poltheory/mill/ol/
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Here's a good text on the subject of Liberty:
http://www.la.utexas.edu/research/poltheory/mill/ol/
Thanks, Tdol! :D

Have you read the whole thing?

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