Go Back   UsingEnglish.com ESL Forum > Learning English > Ask a Teacher


Closed Thread
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 15-Jul-2006, 18:13
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 475
Home Country: Aaland
Native Language: (Afan) Oromo
Current Location: United States
Member Type: Student or Learner
Default participial phrases -- adverbs or adjectives?

Are participial phrases adverbs or adjectives? Textbooks say that they are adjectives, but I think that restrictive participial phrases are adjectives and that non-restrictive participial phrases are usually adverbials.
`
[examples]
`
restrictive participial phrases that are adjectives:
(Can't they usually be changed to a relative clause without a difference in meaning?)
`
"Music written especially for a play is called incidental music."
("Music that/which is written especially for...")
`
"The fire truck carrying the latest equipment was on display."
("The fire truck that/which was carrying the...")
`
non-restrictive participial phrases that are adverbials:
`
"Grunting and straining, Jean Valijean lifted the huge wagon off the peasant who had been pinned beneath it."
("While?/In? grunting and straining, Jean Valijean lifted the..."; similar meaning but sounds awkward)
`
"Todd, having finished the artwork on the globe for mission prayer band, decided to show it to Paster Donnell."
("Todd, who had finished the..."; different meaning)
`
"Having finished the artwork on the globe for mission prayer band, Todd decided to show it to Paster Donnell."
("After having finished the...", similar meaning but sounds awkward?)

Last edited by dihen; 15-Jul-2006 at 18:32.
  #2  
Old 16-Jul-2006, 08:08
Editor, UsingEnglish.com
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Posts: 34,359
Home Country: UK
Native Language: British English
Current Location: Philippines
Member Type: English Teacher
Default Re: participial phrases -- adverbs or adjectives?

How about this for a rewrite that doesn't change the meaning:
Jean Valijean, who was grunting and straining, lifted...
  #3  
Old 16-Jul-2006, 09:22
Member
Threadstarter  
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 475
Home Country: Aaland
Native Language: (Afan) Oromo
Current Location: United States
Member Type: Student or Learner
Default Re: participial phrases -- adverbs or adjectives?

Quote:
Originally Posted by tdol
How about this for a rewrite that doesn't change the meaning:
Jean Valijean, who was grunting and straining, lifted...
But that can no longer be analyzed as an adverbial.
`
And is it true that the preposition "during" developed from the verb "dure", which is no longer used?, and that seems to mean that certain participial phrases are more similar to adverbials, and I think that in certain languages, that kind of participial phrases is even marked with adverbials markings. And consider adverbs, such as "surprisingly", "unknowingly", and "supposedly". And "compared to" does function like an adverb. And it is very likely that some linguists do consider certain participial phrases to be adverbials.

Last edited by dihen; 16-Jul-2006 at 13:49.
  #4  
Old 17-Jul-2006, 07:46
Editor, UsingEnglish.com
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Posts: 34,359
Home Country: UK
Native Language: British English
Current Location: Philippines
Member Type: English Teacher
Default Re: participial phrases -- adverbs or adjectives?

I don't see it as adverbial which explains my analysis.

I believe that 'during' does come from the verb 'durer', from Franch.
  #5  
Old 17-Jul-2006, 11:07
Member
Threadstarter  
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 475
Home Country: Aaland
Native Language: (Afan) Oromo
Current Location: United States
Member Type: Student or Learner
Default Re: participial phrases -- adverbs or adjectives?

Quote:
Jean Valijean, who was grunting and straining, lifted...
In fact, it's even tempting to me to write "Grunting(*ly) and straining(*ly), Jean Valijean lifted...".
----------
`
This one is very similar to an adverbial.
`
"Using a key, he opened the door."
"By using a key, he opened the door." (almost identical meaning)
`
To me non-restrictive participial phrases are usually a gerund used as an adverbial that omits or cannot express the preposition before the gerund.
`
the structure that I think it is:
`
[PP Ø [NP Grunting and straining]], Jean Valijean lifted...

Last edited by dihen; 17-Jul-2006 at 11:32.
  #6  
Old 18-Jul-2006, 08:05
Editor, UsingEnglish.com
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Posts: 34,359
Home Country: UK
Native Language: British English
Current Location: Philippines
Member Type: English Teacher
Default Re: participial phrases -- adverbs or adjectives?

Quote:
Originally Posted by dihen
In fact, it's even tempting to me to write "Grunting(*ly) and straining(*ly), Jean Valijean lifted...".
This would an interesting and creative use, so I'll happily go with it.
  #7  
Old 10-Aug-2006, 04:51
Member
Threadstarter  
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 475
Home Country: Aaland
Native Language: (Afan) Oromo
Current Location: United States
Member Type: Student or Learner
Default Re: participial phrases -- adverbs or adjectives?

Quote:
Originally Posted by dihen View Post
This one is very similar to an adverbial.
`
"Using a key, he opened the door."
"By using a key, he opened the door." (almost identical meaning)
`
To me non-restrictive participial phrases are usually a gerund used as an adverbial that omits or cannot express the preposition before the gerund.
Or maybe it's because of their similarity to adverbials that I misintepreted them as adverbials.
  #8  
Old 12-Aug-2006, 18:04
Member
Threadstarter  
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 475
Home Country: Aaland
Native Language: (Afan) Oromo
Current Location: United States
Member Type: Student or Learner
Default Re: participial phrases -- adverbs or adjectives?

Quote:
Originally Posted by dihen View Post
Or maybe it's because of their similarity to adverbials that I misintepreted them as adverbials.
And I really do interpret them as adverbials because while I would accept sentences like these below, you would probably be very unlikely to accept them.
`
"He has, looking out the window, seen two strangers at the door."
"Jean Valijean has, grunting and straining, lifted the..."
  #9  
Old 26-Sep-2006, 16:53
Member
Threadstarter  
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 475
Home Country: Aaland
Native Language: (Afan) Oromo
Current Location: United States
Member Type: Student or Learner
Default Re: participial phrases -- adverbs or adjectives?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tdol View Post
I don't see it as adverbial which explains my analysis.
"Jean Valijean, who was grunting and straining, lifted..." is of couse completely not simliar to the structure of "In the state of grunting and straining, Jean Valijean lifted...", but I strongly think that "Grunting and straining, Jean Valijean lifted..." is.

Last edited by dihen; 26-Sep-2006 at 17:03.
  #10  
Old 26-Sep-2006, 17:50
MikeNewYork's Avatar
VIP Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Posts: 6,073
Member Type: Academic
Default Re: participial phrases -- adverbs or adjectives?

For me, "grunting and straining" describes the subject. That would make it adjectival.
Closed Thread

Bookmarks

Tags
participial, phrases, adverbs, adjectives


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
"any" with adjectives, relative clauses, and prepositional phrases? dihen Ask a Teacher 1 21-May-2006 14:15
Article / Adjectives / Adverbs kyawthu Ask a Teacher 1 25-Feb-2006 21:36
order of adjectives Lenka Ask a Teacher 9 03-Dec-2005 12:36
Past/Present Participial and Participial Phrases piggy386 Ask a Teacher 3 26-Sep-2005 06:54


All times are GMT. The time now is 00:49.



Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO ©2011, Crawlability, Inc.