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30-Dec-2003, 01:38
| | | My typical, easily confused self Okay. Here we go. If I were to say, " I have 4 apples and oranges," should that be interpreted as having 4 apples and 4 oranges, 4 apples and an unspecified number of oranges, or a total of 4 fruits? Thanks for the help. I know by restructuring the sentence, it could be clarified, but this sentence has boggled me for some time. | 
30-Dec-2003, 04:10
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Originally Posted by Anonymous Okay. Here we go. If I were to say, " I have 4 apples and oranges," should that be interpreted as having 4 apples and 4 oranges, 4 apples and an unspecified number of oranges, or a total of 4 fruits? Thanks for the help. I know by restructuring the sentence, it could be clarified, but this sentence has boggled me for some time. | I have 4 apples and oranges.
=> I have 4 pieces of fruit. [edited]
I have four [apples], and oranges.
=> 4 apples, and some oranges.
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30-Dec-2003, 04:49
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| | Re: My typical, easily confused self Thanks for the help. I appreciate it. I was always taught that a comma would only be used for separating items in a list...which leads me to my next question. How could I say the boys and girls in the class total to 21 students? (For example, I couldn't say "There are 21 boys and girls in the class.) I'm always perplexed by the simplest grammatical rules. | 
30-Dec-2003, 05:01
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Originally Posted by grc15r Thanks for the help. I appreciate it. I was always taught that a comma would only be used for separating items in a list...which leads me to my next question. How could I say the boys and girls in the class total to 21 students? (For example, I couldn't say "There are 21 boys and girls in the class.) I'm always perplexed by the simplest grammatical rules. | If punctuation perplexes, use words instead, like this,
There are 21 boys and 11 girls in the class.
There are a total of 21 students, boys and girls, in the class.
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30-Dec-2003, 06:03
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| | Actually, I prefer the punctuation. I enjoy seeing examples with the correct punctuation that I can emulate in my own writing. It's very helpful. (For example, "4 oranges, and apples" as opposed to "4 oranges and apples," makes pefect sense now.) | 
30-Dec-2003, 10:18
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Originally Posted by grc15r Actually, I prefer the punctuation. I enjoy seeing examples with the correct punctuation that I can emulate in my own writing. It's very helpful. (For example, "4 oranges, and apples" as opposed to "4 oranges and apples," makes pefect sense now.) | That's great!
I've apples and 4 oranges.
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30-Dec-2003, 10:57
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Originally Posted by Casiopea Quote: |
Originally Posted by grc15r Actually, I prefer the punctuation. I enjoy seeing examples with the correct punctuation that I can emulate in my own writing. It's very helpful. (For example, "4 oranges, and apples" as opposed to "4 oranges and apples," makes pefect sense now.) | That's great!
I've apples and 4 oranges.
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30-Dec-2003, 22:58
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Current Location: North Carolina First Language: English Member Type: Other | | If somebody said "I have four apples and oranges" I would probably think they meant they had four fruits. After all, the normal way of saying that would be either to specify each or to specify neither. Thus, a person might say I have four apples and four oranges or I have some apples and some oranges.
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30-Dec-2003, 23:17
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Originally Posted by RonBee If somebody said "I have four apples and oranges" I would probably think they meant they had four fruits. |
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