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Old 29-Aug-2006, 22:53
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Is it gramatically corect to say "May you help me?". I know you can say "Will you help me?" and it is not gramatically correct "Can you help me?". Thank you for all your help.
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Is it grammatically correct to say "May you help me?".

It's perfectly grammatical, Unr1234, but for the meaning you want, it's semantically nonsensical. "may you help me" with no question mark has a subjunctive connotation, similar in nature to "May you always be happy".

I know you can say "Will you help me?" and it is not gramatically correct "Can you help me?". Thank you for all your help.

Both "Will you help me?" and "Can you help me?" are grammatical and in common use. The effect of both is the same, but each has a slightly different meaning; 'will' means "are you willing to help me?" and 'can' means "is it possible for you to help me?".

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Is it gramatically corect to say "May you help me?". I know you can say "Will you help me?" and it is not gramatically correct "Can you help me?". Thank you for all your help.
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Can I help you is frequently heard. May or could I help you is used in more formal settings.

Can you help me, please? or in more formal settings Could or would you help me?
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I'd say that may is often used with the first person sg.
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In studies of spoken English, The Longman Grammar of Spoken and Written English found that "[D]espite a well-known prescription favoring may rather than can for expressing permission, may is especially rare in the sense of permission. ... many of the instances of may marking permission ... are produced by caregivers in conversations with children."

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