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20-Oct-2006, 23:56
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Current Location: USA First Language: english Member Type: Student or Learner | | Re: Gerund with a past tense in the Subject Thanks MikeNewYork. So, we're saying that Getting Started is the subject of some understood verb(or action)? | 
21-Oct-2006, 14:43
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First Language: Russian | | Re: Gerund with a past tense in the Subject Hi, The collocation the subject of the verb is absurd, gjo. Almost anything can be a subject – nouns, pronouns, verbals and groups of words.. A subject is sth that carries out an action. Jogging is good for heath. The subject in this sentence is jogging, which is a Gerund. To argue with your boss means to ask for trouble. To argue with your boss is the subject here. | 
21-Oct-2006, 14:45
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First Language: Russian | | Re: Gerund with a past tense in the Subject Hi,
The collocation the subject of the verb is absurd, gjo. Almost anything can be a subject – nouns, pronouns, verbals and groups of words.. A subject is sth that carries out an action. Jogging is good for heath.
The subject in this sentence is jogging, which is a Gerund. To argue with your boss means to ask for trouble. To argue with your boss is the subject here. | 
21-Oct-2006, 23:35
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Current Location: New York First Language: American English Member Type: Academic | | Re: Gerund with a past tense in the Subject Quote:
Originally Posted by gjo123 Thanks MikeNewYork. So, we're saying that Getting Started is the subject of some understood verb(or action)? | Not the subject of some understood verb, but the actual subject of the actual verb in the sentence.
Getting started is the...
"Getting started" is the subject; "is" is the verb. | 
21-Oct-2006, 23:37
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Current Location: New York First Language: American English Member Type: Academic | | Re: Gerund with a past tense in the Subject Quote:
Originally Posted by Humble Hi,
The collocation the subject of the verb is absurd, gjo. Almost anything can be a subject – nouns, pronouns, verbals and groups of words.. A subject is sth that carries out an action. Jogging is good for heath.
The subject in this sentence is jogging, which is a Gerund. To argue with your boss means to ask for trouble. To argue with your boss is the subject here. | I don't know why you think "the subject of the verb" is an absurd collocation. It is used all the time. | 
22-Oct-2006, 04:57
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First Language: Russian | | Re: Gerund with a past tense in the Subject Oh, is it ? Could you please give a couple of examples? It's absolutely new to me.
Tnx | 
22-Oct-2006, 05:03
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Current Location: New York First Language: American English Member Type: Academic | | Re: Gerund with a past tense in the Subject Quote:
Originally Posted by Humble Oh, is it ? Could you please give a couple of examples? It's absolutely new to me.
Tnx | It just points out a verb's subject. There are over 60,000 uses here: "the subject of the verb" - Google Search | 
22-Oct-2006, 07:52
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First Language: Russian | | Re: Gerund with a past tense in the Subject Tnx, Mike.
Now I see. Sure, I just meant it sounded absurd to me in this context. Why not the subject of the (a, some) sentence? That's what mislead me. Because it looked like a mixture (confusion?) of parts of the sentence with parts of speech.
If a verb is a predicate it sure has a subject. But if it isn't it can't, can it?
I admit my statement was a hasty generalisation.  Perhaps I looked at it from a wrong angle.
Basically we've both said the same, haven't we?
Rgs | 
22-Oct-2006, 17:19
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Current Location: New York First Language: American English Member Type: Academic | | Re: Gerund with a past tense in the Subject Quote:
Originally Posted by Humble Tnx, Mike.
Now I see. Sure, I just meant it sounded absurd to me in this context. Why not the subject of the (a, some) sentence? That's what mislead me. Because it looked like a mixture (confusion?) of parts of the sentence with parts of speech.
If a verb is a predicate it sure has a subject. But if it isn't it can't, can it?
I admit my statement was a hasty generalisation.  Perhaps I looked at it from a wrong angle.
Basically we've both said the same, haven't we?
Rgs | Now I understand. Certainly a sentence can have a subject, but that subject is still the subject of the verb. We can say the sentence has a verb, but we rarely say "that is the verb of the subject". Just a quirk. | 
23-Oct-2006, 00:21
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Current Location: USA First Language: english Member Type: Student or Learner | | Re: Gerund with a past tense in the Subject Well, Humble and MikeYewYork, you two seem to have had a nice time batting my question around while I was away for the weekend. Unfortunately, after I returned and read what you two had to say, I am no closer to understanding how anyone can look at a title, "Getting Started," and know that "started" is a participle and not a past tense. No one knows what "Getting Started" is referring to when it is first seen on the front of a video. We don't know that the verb "is" is supposed to follow, as one of you suggest. My question remains unanswered. It still looks to me like getting is the subject and started is the simple past tense. I don't see why that can't be possible. |  | | | Thread Tools | | | | Display Modes | Linear Mode |
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