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12-Dec-2006, 09:38
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Current Location: Hungary First Language: Hungarian Member Type: Student or Learner | | time adjunct as nominal relative pronoun? Hello Tell me when you will arrive.
when you will arrive -- is it a nominal relative clause; that is, can a time adverbial, when, be a linking pronoun in this sentence?
What is your gut reaction the role of when you will arrive syntactically is in this sentence?
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12-Dec-2006, 17:08
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Current Location: New York First Language: American English Member Type: Academic | | Re: time adjunct as nominal relative pronoun? Quote:
Originally Posted by svartnik Hello Tell me when you will arrive.
when you will arrive -- is it a nominal relative clause; that is, can a time adverbial, when, be a linking pronoun in this sentence?
What is your gut reaction the role of when you will arrive syntactically is in this sentence?
thanks | "When" is a conjunction in that sentence. It is introducing a noun clause. | 
12-Dec-2006, 21:49
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Originally Posted by MikeNewYork "When" is a conjunction in that sentence. It is introducing a noun clause. | hi
How would you account for the fact that the nominal sub clause is classified as a relative clause.
I have always thought of relative clauses as a part of the sentence to be introduced by one of the 5 relative pronouns, to which "when" does not belong.
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12-Dec-2006, 23:31
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Current Location: New York First Language: American English Member Type: Academic | | Re: time adjunct as nominal relative pronoun? Quote:
Originally Posted by svartnik hi
How would you account for the fact that the nominal sub clause is classified as a relative clause.
I have always thought of relative clauses as a part of the sentence to be introduced by one of the 5 relative pronouns, to which "when" does not belong.
thanks | Who classified it as a relative clause? | 
13-Dec-2006, 09:52
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Current Location: Hungary First Language: Hungarian Member Type: Student or Learner | | Re: time adjunct as nominal relative pronoun? Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeNewYork Who classified it as a relative clause? | Hello
Moreover, according to Quirk, a time adjunct like "when" can be substituted for a relative pronoun.
This is someting like a gray area to me.
Thanks for your attention
Svartnik
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13-Dec-2006, 20:08
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Current Location: New York First Language: American English Member Type: Academic | | Re: time adjunct as nominal relative pronoun? Quote:
Originally Posted by svartnik Hello
Moreover, according to Quirk, a time adjunct like "when" can be substituted for a relative pronoun.
This is someting like a gray area to me.
Thanks for your attention
Svartnik | Yes, "when" can introduce a relative clause, but that was not the case in your example.
This is a use of "when" as a relative adverb in a relative clause:
I remember a time when a man's character was more important than his bank account.
In this case, the clause is adjectival and modifies "time". | 
13-Dec-2006, 21:15
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Yes indeed.
I agree.
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13-Dec-2006, 21:46
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Originally Posted by svartnik Hello
Yes indeed.
I agree.
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