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Can you help me about this three words "Although, Despite & However"? I just find it really difficult to distinguish each from the other...
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However- joins two sentences It was hard. However, he managed to do it.
Although- joins two clauses Although it was hard, he managed to do it.
Despite/In spite of- join a noun phrase to the clause Despite the difficulty, he managed to do it.
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Tdol forgot to say that despite/inspite of can be followed by an -ing form as in:
Despite being tired, I have to keep working.

I think he will not mind me adding this detail he forgot about.
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Although, Despite & However

Is the sentence correct? If it is correct, answer 'True' and if it is incorrect, answer 'False'.

1. In spite of exhausted, I continued working.
2. I thought it was OK, though many found it rather difficult.
3. I did it, though I didn't enjoy it.
4. Despite the fact that it was very expensive, I bought it.
5. Despite I tried my best, I failed.
6. Although I tried my best, I was unsuccessful.
7. However hard I tried, I just couldn't manage it.
8. Though exhausted, I continued working.
9. In spite that no one helped me, I still managed to do it.
10. Despite of being easy, many failed the test.
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Although, Despite & However

Is the sentence correct? If it is correct, answer 'True' and if it is incorrect, answer 'False'.

1. In spite of exhausted, I continued working. You are in the state of being exhausted
2. I thought it was OK, though many found it rather difficult.
3. I did it, though I didn't enjoy it.
4. Despite the fact that it was very expensive, I bought it.
5. Despite I tried my best, I failed. Despite trying...
6. Although I tried my best, I was unsuccessful.
7. However hard I tried, I just couldn't manage it.
8. Though exhausted, I continued working.
9. In spite that no one helped me, I still managed to do it. Although no-one... OR In spite of the fact that no-one...
10. Despite of being easy, many failed the test. Despite being...
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However- joins two sentences It was hard. However, he managed to do it.
Although- joins two clauses Although it was hard, he managed to do it.
Despite/In spite of- join a noun phrase to the clause Despite the difficulty, he managed to do it.
How do these apply to the answers given by Anglika?
- Please explain to me clearly, I find it difficult still!!!


* I checked the test and all the answer were correct, great!
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Wouldn't it be better better if you try to explain them or your thinking behind them? Take the first as an example- 'exhausted' is an adjective, so where's the noun for a noun phrase? 'In spite of my exhaustion'; now we have a noun.
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However- joins two sentences It was hard. However, he managed to do it.
Although- joins two clauses Although it was hard, he managed to do it.
Despite/In spite of- join a noun phrase to the clause Despite the difficulty, he managed to do it.

1. In spite of exhausted, I continued working.
- ok, as you said, Tdol, there's no noun for the noun phrase.

2. I thought it was OK, though many found it rather difficult.
- This one is good for "though" joined here two clauses.

3. I did it, though I didn't enjoy it.
- Here, wouldn't "I did it" be counted as a sentence for, seperately, it can be one, right? But in this sentence it was counted as a clause.

4. Despite the fact that it was very expensive, I bought it.
- Where's the noun phrase here? I'm not good at trouble-shooting sentences, really! Where's the noun?

5. Despite I tried my best, I failed.
- Anglika has an answer here that it should be "Despite trying".
- Could I say it as: Although I tried my best, I failed.
I failed, though I tried my best.

6. Although I tried my best, I was unsuccessful.
- Oh, same as number 5, I guess!!!

7. However hard I tried, I just couldn't manage it.
- If however is used to join sentences, please, where are the sentences here? Is "hard I tried" a sentence?

8. Though exhausted, I continued working.
- How about this? exhausted is just an adjective and not a clause, so why can this right?

9. In spite that no one helped me, I still managed to do it.
- "Although no one helped me" would be best here for me...
- Anglika answered this "Inspite of the face that no one.."- How do this function as a noun phrase?

10. Despite of being easy, many failed the test.
- Here, despite being busy is my answer!

*** Perhaps I have a problem distiguishing a noun phrase, a clause, and a sentence in these given examples.
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2. I thought it was OK, though many found it rather difficult.
- This one is good for "though" joined here two clauses.

3. I did it, though I didn't enjoy it.
- Here, wouldn't "I did it" be counted as a sentence for, seperately, it can be one, right? But in this sentence it was counted as a clause.
It could be an individual sentence, but to use 'however', we would either have to add a full-stop or a semi-colon; don't use 'however' after a comma.

4. Despite the fact that it was very expensive, I bought it.
- Where's the noun phrase here? I'm not good at trouble-shooting sentences, really! Where's the noun?
When we have 'the fact that' after 'depspite/in spite of' we can use them the same way as 'although/though'. You're right; if we had 'despite' on its own, it would need to be followed by a noun like 'the expense'

5. Despite I tried my best, I failed.
- Anglika has an answer here that it should be "Despite trying".
- Could I say it as: Although I tried my best, I failed.
I failed, though I tried my best.
Yes, you could

6. Although I tried my best, I was unsuccessful.
- Oh, same as number 5, I guess!!!

7. However hard I tried, I just couldn't manage it.
- If however is used to join sentences, please, where are the sentences here? Is "hard I tried" a sentence?
Remember, examiners try to trick you; 'however' here is being used in a different way; not to provide a contrast but to modify 'hard', with the meaning of 'no matter how hard'.

8. Though exhausted, I continued working.
- How about this? exhausted is just an adjective and not a clause, so why can this right?
'Though exhausted' is ellipsis for 'Though I was exhausted'

9. In spite that no one helped me, I still managed to do it.
- "Although no one helped me" would be best here for me...
- Anglika answered this "In spite of the fact that no one.."- How do this function as a noun phrase?
See #4

10. Despite of being easy, many failed the test.
- Here, despite being busy is my answer!

(but put a comma after 'busy')
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2. I thought it was OK, though many found it rather difficult.
- This one is good for "though" joined here two clauses.

3. I did it, though I didn't enjoy it.
- Here, wouldn't "I did it" be counted as a sentence for, seperately, it can be one, right? But in this sentence it was counted as a clause.
It could be an individual sentence, but to use 'however', we would either have to add a full-stop or a semi-colon; don't use 'however' after a comma.

4. Despite the fact that it was very expensive, I bought it.
- Where's the noun phrase here? I'm not good at trouble-shooting sentences, really! Where's the noun?
When we have 'the fact that' after 'depspite/in spite of' we can use them the same way as 'although/though'. You're right; if we had 'despite' on its own, it would need to be followed by a noun like 'the expense'

5. Despite I tried my best, I failed.
- Anglika has an answer here that it should be "Despite trying".
- Could I say it as: Although I tried my best, I failed.
I failed, though I tried my best.
Yes, you could

6. Although I tried my best, I was unsuccessful.
- Oh, same as number 5, I guess!!!

7. However hard I tried, I just couldn't manage it.
- If however is used to join sentences, please, where are the sentences here? Is "hard I tried" a sentence?
Remember, examiners try to trick you; 'however' here is being used in a different way; not to provide a contrast but to modify 'hard', with the meaning of 'no matter how hard'.

8. Though exhausted, I continued working.
- How about this? exhausted is just an adjective and not a clause, so why can this right?
'Though exhausted' is ellipsis for 'Though I was exhausted'

9. In spite that no one helped me, I still managed to do it.
- "Although no one helped me" would be best here for me...
- Anglika answered this "In spite of the fact that no one.."- How do this function as a noun phrase?
See #4

10. Despite of being easy, many failed the test.
- Here, despite being busy is my answer!

(but put a comma after 'busy')
Thanks a lot Tdol!!! You were very helpful...

I'll make sure I won't forget this lesson we had,
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