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"I'll bath the baby" is ungrammatical because the sentence has no verb. This, of course, does not preclude a large number of native English speakers from saying it that way. (Although I've never heard that usage)

Many times, nouns are pressed into service as verbs because the exact verb did not exist before the noun was invented, or because it is convenient to do so. When we call someone on the phone, we phone them; when we add oil to a machine, we oil it; when we use text messaging, we text someone. Since bathe already exists as the verb form of the noun bath, then we can not use bath as a verb.
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"I'll bath the baby" is ungrammatical because the sentence has no verb. This, of course, does not preclude a large number of native English speakers from saying it that way. (Although I've never heard that usage)

Many times, nouns are pressed into service as verbs because the exact verb did not exist before the noun was invented, or because it is convenient to do so. When we call someone on the phone, we phone them; when we add oil to a machine, we oil it; when we use text messaging, we text someone. Since bathe already exists as the verb form of the noun bath, then we can not use bath as a verb.
That's what I know as well that, yes, they just omit some words and make the noun a verb in some ways. But I got that example in Dictionary.com...

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bath
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This is what I know that bath is a noun and bathe is a verb until I saw these examples:


* I'll bath the baby.
* We also do cleaning with ourselves like we bath everyday and wear new clothes
Mykwyner explained it very well. I prefer to take his advice since he is a teacher.
bath-noun
bathe-verb

I have/take a bath everyday.
I bathe the baby everyday.
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Is there really no difference between BrE and AmE ?

I bathe the dog= I bath the dog...is it right..? ?
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Is there really no difference between BrE and AmE ?

I bathe the dog= I bath the dog...is it right..? ?
Hi

I bathe the dog -correct English
I give a bath to my dog- correct English [bath - noun]
There may be some differences between Br.E and Am. E. but if you want to improve your knowledge of English, try to follow the rules of Standard English.

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Is there really no difference between BrE and AmE ?

I bathe the dog= I bath the dog...is it right..? ?
Hi

I bath my dog -although used, this is not grammatical
My dog needs a bath -correct English [bath-noun]
I bathe the dog -correct English [verb]
I give a bath to my dog- correct English [bath - noun]
There may be some differences between Br.E and Am. E. but if you want to improve your knowledge of English, try to follow the rules of Standard English.

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Mykwyner explained it very well. I prefer to take his advice since he is a teacher.
bath-noun
bathe-verb

I have/take a bath everyday.
I bathe the baby everyday.
Yes, I know. That has been my belief as well that :

bath = noun
bathe = verb

Until somebody asked me the difference. I gave him the same explanation as Mykwyner.

He said that he found both words used interchangeably and was confused. When I checked the dictionary and found the word "bath" used as a verb.

But in adherence to my belief, I told him how people press nouns as "to bath" to make the verbs "bath". And since we already have the verb "bathe", we can use bathe.

I just want some affirmation to my beliefs here.
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Yes, I know. That has been my belief as well that :

bath = noun
bathe = verb

Until somebody asked me the difference. I gave him the same explanation as Mykwyner.

He said that he found both words used interchangeably and was confused. When I checked the dictionary and found the word "bath" used as a verb.

But in adherence to my belief, I told him how people press nouns as "to bath" to make the verbs "bath". And since we already have the verb "bathe", we can use bathe.

I just want some affirmation to my beliefs here.
Yes, you are right . People use these two words interchangeably but if you are going to take an FCE exam , then you should use "bath" as a noun and "bathe" as a verb:
give a bath
take a bath
have a bath
to bathe

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Old 13-Jul-2007, 05:52
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Yes, you are right . People use these two words interchangeably but if you are going to take an FCE exam , then you should use "bath" as a noun and "bathe" as a verb:
give a bath
take a bath
have a bath
to bathe

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You're right! If I'll be taking an exam, I'll do the same.
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Yes, you are right . People use these two words interchangeably but if you are going to take an FCE exam , then you should use "bath" as a noun and "bathe" as a verb:
give a bath
take a bath
have a bath
to bathe

All the best
Yes! It's very important to remember that we learn English to take an exam. But I think we should teach English not only for taking exams. I teach my students all the secrets of English, even the difference of "bathe" and "bath".

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