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    Default Re: how dare_______?

    Quote Originally Posted by 2006 View Post
    No, "How dare he!" is correct. It means 'How dare he (do)(say)that!'
    'I dare him.' (subject, verb, object) would be correct.
    Additionally I'd say that 'How dare he' doesn't seem to follow the 'rule' because the [2nd] pronoun in 'I dare you' is the object of the verb, whereas the [only] pronoun in 'How dare he' is the subject of the verb. The expression is an abbreviation of 'How does he dare...?'. As 2006 says, there's an implied 'do/say that'; 'How dare he?' is a rhetorical question meaning 'How can he have the nerve/chutzpah/effrontery/cheek to behave in such a way?' or 'How can he be so bold/stupid/insensitive... [etc - any negative-loaded adjective to describe inappropriate behaviour]?'.

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    Default Re: how dare_______?

    ‘Dare’ is also called a ‘defective’ verb in some old grammar books because it can’t be used in all the moods and tenses.

    "How dare he or him" is like an interrogative or exclamatory sentence. The subject is ‘he’. How he dare!? He dare (*dares) not do it; He dares (or dared) you to fight.

    Most of us agree the nominative form of ‘he’ is considered correct.

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    Default Re: how dare_______?

    Please take another look at post #5 (provided here below). It's right on the money.
    Quote Originally Posted by Delmobile View Post
    Dare is apparently something called a marginal modal, and what's more it's unique. (Other marginal modals are need, ought and used [to].) I'm attaching this helpful link but I admit I have a hard time following the explanation :) I'm hoping somebody qualified jumps in here.

    Marginal Modal dare
    Modals
    How dare he?
    How can he?

    Verbs
    How dare him?
    How can him?

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    Default Re: how dare_______?

    Quote Originally Posted by Delmobile View Post
    Dare is apparently something called a marginal modal, and what's more it's unique. (Other marginal modals are need, ought and used [to].) I'm attaching this helpful link but I admit I have a hard time following the explanation :) I'm hoping somebody qualified jumps in here.

    Marginal Modal dare

    [native speaker but not a teacher, obviously. I'm here to learn too, and I certainly did today]
    Hi Delmobile

    I`d like to ask you two questions.
    1.What is the correct question tag when using "ought to" in a sentence:
    e.g. She ought to see a doctor, oughtn`t she? [is this correct?]
    2. Is this modal verb [ought to] frequently used in spoken Am.E.?

    Thank you

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    Default Re: how dare_______?

    Quote Originally Posted by Casiopea View Post
    Please take another look at post #5 (provided here below). It's right on the money.


    Modals
    How dare he?
    How can he?

    Verbs
    How dare him?
    How can him?
    Hi Casiopea
    What does "It`s right on the money" mean? Does it mean :it`s on the subject? I can`t find a correct synonymous phrase for it. Is this expression an idiom?

    Thank you very much in advance.

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    Default Re: how dare_______?

    And now the woman who screwed up the proximal verb on another thread will answer a grammar question...(drumroll please)

    1) Yes, oughtn't she is the right tag, but...

    2) I don't think I've ever heard this in AE speech. Here is a fascinating discussion of "ought" in American dialect. The author says that modern American speakers can't invert positive "ought" ("Ought I to go?") which is true; I don't think I've ever heard an American use this construction. He also says Americans can manage to invert the negative ("Oughtn't I to go?") but I very rarely hear anything like this. I would go on to add that although we use "ought" in the positive constantly, negative use is rare, certainly not "oughtn't" although I occasionally hear "ought not." A more common negative would be "you shouldn't go" or, as the above link discusses, "you shouldn't ought to go" which is incorrect grammatically.

    Other AE speakers may have a different take on this.

    "Right on the money" is indeed an idiom and it means "exactly right." Two links I googled said it derived from different sources, either horse-racing bets or the bull's eye in archery.

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