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Old 18-Aug-2007, 20:49
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Is the sentence below correct or do I have to replace "I'm" with "me" to make it correct?

I hope you don't mind (that) I'm bothering you with such a question.


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Hello Lenka,

1. I hope you don't mind that I'm X-ing you with Y.
2. I hope you don't mind the fact that I'm X-ing you with Y.
3. I hope you don't mind my X-ing you with Y.
4. I hope you don't mind me X-ing you with Y.

All the above are possible. #1 is quite formal; #2 is quite formal and wordy; #3 is moderately formal; #4 is neutral.

#4 is probably the commonest form, in ordinary English.

However, some people would prefer #3 to #4, on the grounds that "X-ing you with Y" can't be said to qualify "me", since "I hope you don't mind me", in isolation, would have a different meaning from its meaning in the sentence.

(I would disagree; "X-ing you with Y" looks like an idiomatic object complement, to me.)

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Default Re: mind that sb.'s doing sth. - mind sb. doing sth.

Thank you for the good clarification, MrP!

I just don't understand too much, what you mean by the paragraph below:

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However, some people would prefer #3 to #4, on the grounds that "X-ing you with Y" can't be said to qualify "me", since "I hope you don't mind me", in isolation, would have a different meaning from its meaning in the sentence.

(I would disagree; "X-ing you with Y" looks like an idiomatic object complement, to me.)

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How come they would prefer #3 to #4? #4 is completely correct, isn't it?
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Hello Lenka,

To me, both #3 and #4 are correct.

The structure in #3 is possessive + gerund ("my X-ing"); the structure in #4 is object pronoun + participle, e.g.

5. I hope you don't mind my asking

— "my" = possessive, "asking" = gerund; "my" qualifies "asking".

6. I hope you don't mind me asking

— "me" = object pronoun, "asking" = participle; "asking" qualifies "me".

However, #6 is a disputed usage: there are some teachers, authors of style guides, and grammarians who believe that it's incorrect.

Here's one such person.

As I say, I don't myself believe that it's incorrect; and it's a common structure, in ordinary spoken English. But if you're taking an exam, or applying for a job, it's as well to know that there are some people who dislike the structure!

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However, #6 is a disputed usage: there are some teachers, authors of style guides, and grammarians who believe that it's incorrect.

Here's one such person.

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Thanks. It's good to know where the opposition's coming from. Oh dear - they probably wouldn't like that either; 'to finally know from where ...' Oops. Done it again.
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