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Could you tell me where can I find any information about determiners and predeterminers. The latter are most interesting for me.

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There's a bit of a list here: http://myfaculty.metro.inter.edu/rva...eterminers.pdf

Explanation and examples of types of determiners here: HF ENG 111 Grammar: Lecture 8

There's an explanation here about their function and distribution: Articles, Determiners, and Quantifiers

There's more here: 1

This site is promising. Scroll down to I.1 The Determinatives: Informative Language

This site lists three kinds of predeterminers: quantifying, fractional, and intensifying (no examples, though): SYSTEMS IN ENGLISH GRAMMAR: Detailed Table of Contents



There are also "central determiners". From DPs and NPs (english linguistics) [Archive] - WordReference Forums
There are several determiners in English usually known as 'predeterminers', and these often co-occur with the so-called 'central determiners' (such as the articles and possessives you mention). Examples of predeterminers are 'all', 'both', 'half', 'once', 'double' etc.
The two important words 'such' and 'many' can be either predeterminers or central determiners.
There's a paper (Blackwell Synergy - Studia Linguistica, Volume 56 Issue 1 Page 91-115, April 2002 (Article Abstract)) that says there are two kinds of such, one's an intensifier, the other an identifier.

Here's a paper (pdf) on teaching (pre)determiners in writing: http://library.nakanishi.ac.jp/kiyou/gaidai(32)/11.pdf (Scroll down to page 217).


According to this page (http://www.lingue.unige.it/personale.../Lecture-8.pdf) some predeterminers can move into the verb phrase via a process called a 'quantifier float': e.g., all his employees quit => his employees all quit (See slide 21).



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Thank you, it will take me a lot of time to read that all. I hope I will understand a little.

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There's a bit of a list here: http://myfaculty.metro.inter.edu/rva...eterminers.pdf

Explanation and examples of types of determiners here: HF ENG 111 Grammar: Lecture 8

There's an explanation here about their function and distribution: Articles, Determiners, and Quantifiers

There's more here: 1

This site is promising. Scroll down to I.1 The Determinatives: Informative Language

This site lists three kinds of predeterminers: quantifying, fractional, and intensifying (no examples, though): SYSTEMS IN ENGLISH GRAMMAR: Detailed Table of Contents



There are also "central determiners". From DPs and NPs (english linguistics) [Archive] - WordReference Forums
There are several determiners in English usually known as 'predeterminers', and these often co-occur with the so-called 'central determiners' (such as the articles and possessives you mention). Examples of predeterminers are 'all', 'both', 'half', 'once', 'double' etc.
The two important words 'such' and 'many' can be either predeterminers or central determiners.
There's a paper (Blackwell Synergy - Studia Linguistica, Volume 56 Issue 1 Page 91-115, April 2002 (Article Abstract)) that says there are two kinds of such, one's an intensifier, the other an identifier.

Here's a paper (pdf) on teaching (pre)determiners in writing: http://library.nakanishi.ac.jp/kiyou/gaidai(32)/11.pdf (Scroll down to page 217).


According to this page (http://www.lingue.unige.it/personale.../Lecture-8.pdf) some predeterminers can move into the verb phrase via a process called a 'quantifier float': e.g., all his employees quit => his employees all quit (See slide 21).



Hope that helps for now. Let us know if you need more help.
thats agreat effort from you, thanks amellion it is improtant phrases we really should keep it in our mind
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Thank you, it will take me a lot of time to read that all. I hope I will understand a little.

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