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15-Sep-2007, 13:47
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Are these meaning the same things? A. I have heard her say, "I hate my job."
B. I have heard she says, "I hate my job." Please let me know.
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15-Sep-2007, 14:38
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Originally Posted by kayoox  Are these meaning the same things? A. I have heard her say, "I hate my job." B. I have heard she says, "I hate my job." Please let me know. | They mean the same thing.
I (have) heard her say,"I hate my job." (one clause sentence + quotation)
I (have) heard her saying,"I hate my job." (one clause sentence + quotation)
I have heard (that) she says,"I hate my job." (Main clause + subordinate clause + quotation).  |
15-Sep-2007, 14:54
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Originally Posted by justinwschang They mean the same thing.
I (have) heard her say,"I hate my job." (one clause sentence + quotation)
I (have) heard her saying,"I hate my job." (one clause sentence + quotation)
I have heard (that) she says,"I hate my job." (Main clause + subordinate clause + quotation). | There's a slight difference in what information is given, in my opinion. I (have) heard her say/saying, 'I hate my job.' implies that I personally heard her say/saying so, whereas I have heard that she says, 'I hate my job.' doesn't - I may, or may not, have been present when she was saying that thing, I might've only been told about what she was saying. |
15-Sep-2007, 15:16
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you are right.  |
15-Sep-2007, 15:35
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15-Sep-2007, 15:39
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Originally Posted by kayoox Are these meaning the same things?
| Do these mean the same thing? |
16-Sep-2007, 13:10
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Hello, justinwschang, engee30 and Soup.
Thank you very much for your comments.
I became able to clearly understand the difference between them and I realized my mistakes in my writing. 
Last edited by kayoox; 16-Sep-2007 at 13:20.
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16-Sep-2007, 13:37
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Originally Posted by kayoox Hello, justinwschang, engee30 and Soup.
Thank you very much for your comments.
I am able to understand the difference between them clearly now, and I realized my mistakes in my writing. | See correction. |
16-Sep-2007, 15:45
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Just one more voice:
I heard she says - this sounds like she says this often. You have never heard it yourself, but she says it often enough that it's common knowledge she says this. It's a habitual action for her.
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17-Sep-2007, 00:25
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Thank you for another correction, Soup.
You've been very helpful!  | | |
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