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No, not at all
I meant we've said most of what can be said about the subject.

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A-ha, I see. And I agree with you.

By the way, why did you use "don't we" instead of "haven't we" as a tag question?
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I'm trying out new mistakes to see if they catch on.

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I'm trying out new mistakes to see if they catch on.

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Don't use me. English is not my first language, you know. :wink:
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tdol, I need confirmation of this one:

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Sometimes, but now always- it's hard to decide sometimes:
He's excited (probably adjective)
He's excited by (probably verb)
There's no clear border, but gradations and different people will see the same phrase differently.;-0
Hmm...OK, let's leave this past participial adjective question open for now. :?

Phraseologically, the main reason why you think "an excited game" or "the game became excited" is strange is, as Mike says, that even though "excited" is a past participial adjective, which has a passive feel, many have a problem attaching an emotion as an attribute of "game".

Another reason, if any, is, as you say, that the past participal adjective "excited" has not only a passive feel, but also that of completion. The game is in a process, and therefore it is unusual for you native speakers to use "excited" as an attribute of "game".

Does that sum it up?
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tdol?
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Hmmmm- that doesn't square with 'animated'. I think it's more a question of collocation here.
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Hmmmm- that doesn't square with 'animated'.
I agree. In fact, I asked:

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You said you would use "animated". If "animated" is possible, why not "excited"?
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I think it's more a question of collocation here.
It's probably a matter of collocation, yes. That's why I said "Phraseologically".

Anyway, thank you. :)
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Always happy to be of no use.
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Always happy to be of no use.


Me too!
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Actually, you have been, and will be, a great help to me, always, tdol, Mike!! :D
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