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Old 13-Nov-2007, 08:45
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Hello,

I have a question and I need an answer from a native speaker ,please

when the verb 'said' is followed or preceded by a direct or reported speech, is it considered as an intransitive and why?
I KNOW THAT THE VERB SAID IS A TRANSITIVE VERB BUT I AM A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED BECAUSE I FOUND OUT THAT THE ICE(THE INTERNATIONAL CORPUS OF ENGLISH ) TAGGED THE VERB SAID AS INTRANSITIVE WHEN IT IS FOLLOWED OR PRECEDED BY A DIRECT OR REPORTED SPEECH

IS IT A RULE IN ENGLISH GRAMMAR TO CONDSIDER THE VERB 'SAID 'AS AN INTRANSITIVE WHEN IT IS FOLLWED BY A DIRECT SPEECH . WHY THE DIRECT SPEECH DOES NOT CONSIDER AS A COMPLEMENT TO THE VERB 'SAID'

I will be so greatful if you give me an answer to this question
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Why not write a sentence using "said" with reported speech.
Then, tells us what makes "said" in that sentence a transitive verb;
or, are you able to add to the sentence to make it transitive?
Just have a go at that yourself, and post it here. You may surprise yourself by coming up with the answer all on your own!
After you have tried, I'm sure one of the senior members will discuss your question with you.
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Thank you for your response
said is a transtive verb because it always need a complement which can be a that clause ,wh CL,sentence without that ...etc all of these clauses consider as a direct object to the verb 'said'
my question
why direct speech or reported speech do not also function as a complement to the verb said why it is tagged as intrenstive though it is completed by that dierct speech or reported speech.for example
the following examples are from the ICE
. She said: "They'd love that" (here said tagged as intranstive)
" Blake Edward is a sadist" I said
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It would seem to me that said would follow the same rules as say since it is the past tense of say.
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say - Definitions from Dictionary.com
say definition - Dictionary - MSN Encarta
Definition of say - Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary
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thank you RonBee you realy help me

say definition - Dictionary - MSN Encarta
2. transitive and intransitive verb express verbally: to convey information or express feelings in spoken words


is that mean say is used as transtive when it is followed by reported speech and as intransitive when it is followed or preceded by direct speech Am I RIGHT

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