mounting..token protests

[amigos4]

Originally Posted by vil

Dear Moggy,

I am definitely buoyed up with your cheering words. I except to see you again as my adviser, interpreter and proof-reader to my posts.

Thank you for your sympathy.

Regards.

Vil,

May I offer some suggestions? I am a firm believer in keeping sentences simple. Please read the following sentences and see if they make sense to you, and to anyone who may also be reading your posts.

Your original post: "I am definitely buoyed up with your cheering words. I except to see you again as my adviser, interpreter and proof-reader to my posts."

Suggested sentences: "I am definitely buoyed with your cheering words. I expect to see you again as my adviser, interpreter and proof-reader of my posts."

The use of the word 'up' after buoyed is redundant. A buoy is already in an 'up' position. Therefore, 'up' is not needed.

'Except' means to 'leave out' or 'omit'. 'Expect' means to look forward to something. In this case, you are looking forward to Moggy's continued assistance with your posts.

The use of the word 'to' before' 'my posts' is good... but 'of' is better common usage.

Finally, to native speakers, the word 'sympathy' refers to sentiments expressed at a serious tragedy or death. The dictionary will give you a definition that makes 'sympathy' acceptable when you say: "Thank you for your sympathy." However, a better choice might be 'empathy'. 'Sympathy' is generally associated with sadness. 'Empathy' is a more positive expression of strong feelings of support.

I hope these suggestions are helpful to you.

Cheers,
Amigos4

[vil]

Hi amigos4,

I would like to thank you very much indeed because you took the time to correct my ungainly post, as well as to offer me some very interesting and helpful suggestions.

I noted, the work is getting more and more difficult.

Let's examine your correction from all sides. There is in the beginning your recommendation for dropping of "up" after the word "buoyed" because it was "redundant". I agree that your sentence in this area appears to be more stylish, but you have know that I have abided by the examples in the dictionary.

buoy 1. to maintain at a high level, support

"the persistent... takeover speculation, which has buoyed up the shares of banks." (Financial Times)

2. to hearten or inspire, uplift
"buoyed up by the team spirit and the pride of the older generation back at home." (Judith Martin)

Nevertheless, I am ready to follow your recommendation to leave unmentioned "up" in this instance.

That is really funny as well as irksome that I have maiden this inexcusable substitution of both radically contrary words "expect" and " except".

You are completely right; indeed "of" is the better usage.

As for to your recommendation for the usage of the word "empathy" instead of the word "sympathy" I could say only one word - "brilliant". That licks everything. I agree allowing of no appeal.

There is a further information in maintenance of your opinion.

sympathy = 1. definition "pity"
2. definition shared "feeling"
3. definition "the kind understanding of a patient"

empathy = 1. definition "understanding"

empathy - translation of the German term "einfuhlung" "the state of being emotionally and cognitively "in tune with" another person, particularly by feeling what their situation is like from the inside, or what it is like for them.

Empathy is different from sympathy in that to be empathetic one understand, how the person feels rather than actually experiencing those feelings, as in sympathy.

Thank you again for your empathy.

V.

[amigos4]

Originally Posted by vil

Hi amigos4,

I would like to thank you very much indeed because you took the time to correct my ungainly post, as well as to offer me some very interesting and helpful suggestions.

I noted, the work is getting more and more difficult.

Let's examine your correction from all sides. There is in the beginning your recommendation for dropping of "up" after the word "buoyed" because it was "redundant". I agree that your sentence in this area appears to be more stylish, but you have know that I have abided by the examples in the dictionary.

buoy 1. to maintain at a high level, support

"the persistent... takeover speculation, which has buoyed up the shares of banks." (Financial Times)

2. to hearten or inspire, uplift
"buoyed up by the team spirit and the pride of the older generation back at home." (Judith Martin)

Nevertheless, I am ready to follow your recommendation to leave unmentioned "up" in this instance.

That is really funny as well as irksome that I have maiden this inexcusable substitution of both radically contrary words "expect" and " except".

You are completely right; indeed "of" is the better usage.

As for to your recommendation for the usage of the word "empathy" instead of the word "sympathy" I could say only one word - "brilliant". That licks everything. I agree allowing of no appeal.

There is a further information in maintenance of your opinion.

sympathy = 1. definition "pity"
2. definition shared "feeling"
3. definition "the kind understanding of a patient"

empathy = 1. definition "understanding"

empathy - translation of the German term "einfuhlung" "the state of being emotionally and cognitively "in tune with" another person, particularly by feeling what their situation is like from the inside, or what it is like for them.

Empathy is different from sympathy in that to be empathetic one understand, how the person feels rather than actually experiencing those feelings, as in sympathy.

Thank you again for your empathy.

V.

Hi, Vil!

Thank you, again, for your kind words regarding my suggestions. I appreciate your perseverance in trying to learn English.

It would be of significant value to me if you would briefly highlight some of your goals for learning English. Are you attending a university at the present time or are you a post-graduate? Do you desire to speak and write English for business/technical purposes or are you more inclined to learn about 'common usage' for everyday social interactions with your family and friends?

The reason I ask these questions is because I notice that many of your postings illustrate a strong academic background. If I know some of your goals I can tailor my responses to fit your needs.

I look forward to hearing from you soon.

Cheers,
Amigos4

[vil]

Hi amigos4,

You tabled so many interesting for me questions for discussion, that goodness knows what will happen with this my post.

Every beginning is hard. But when you keep a close watch of the logical order of the questions you can obtain a good result.

Now I'll try to answer your inquiries and to put the case for my desire to speak and write English.

I'm not attending a university at that present, because I made this many years ago. Sorry, I'm not a post-graduate neither. I'm a former military engineer , who have worked later a matter of 35 years in the industrial sphere, especially in the field of analogous an digital control systems. I have a passable command of German and Russian languages, beside my natural language-Bulgarian. It was found that, this does not meet the case.

I know, if I want a good job in business, technology, or science, I have to get out of that armchair (to start working now to improve my life) and start learning English now. (If I already have good job, I have to start learning before I lose it.)

English lets me feel the culture of the world like no other language. With a good knowledge of the English language, I can do many wonderful things, as: watch American and Britain films in the original,read great book, enjoy English-language music more (music is much better if you can understand the words).

I like to call English the language of the communications. Why? Because it seems all the people in the world have agreed to use English to talk to each other. About 1,500,00,000 people in the world speak English. Another 1,000,000,000 (me too) learning it.

As French was the language of diplomacy, English is the language of commerce and technology. What's уhy, of late years I made a dеcision to begin learning English language intensive. I'm suer, learning to speak English well may be the best thing I can do to improve my life.

What I interested in? Is it science? Music? Computers? Health? Business? Sports? Today's media - such as the Internet, television, and press give u almost unlimited access to knowledge about my favorite subject. After all we live in the information age, don't we?

There's only one problem. Most of this knowledge is in English.

I think, the adduced above arguments are in favor of my decision to begin learning English language, aren't they.

In conclusion, I could say, that English language helps me to have so good English teachers in this forum and so good friends in the person of the constellation of NES, especially in the your person.

Thank you for the given opportunity to me to continue my exercise.

Cheers!

V.

[moggy]

Beautifully written Vil, you expressed yourself extemely well. There is a lot of information out there written in English, even though the language of origin is sometimes of another country. Having so much information at my finger tips makes me feel quite fortunate to be English sometimes. (Let's face it...there have to be some advantages!)

Keep up the good work Vil,
Moggy

[vil]

Dear Moggy,

Thank you for your favorable attitude to words in my last post in the present thread.

What fun it is to feel the countenanced touch of a friendly shoulder. What fun it is to know that another person thoughts as you. And at last, what fun it is to realize that another person speaks as you.

I will try to explore every avenue at keeping the good work.

Regards.

V.