Usage of "said" and "told"

[smartraja]

Hi All,

I have glanced through the posts and all the replies were encouraging. I'm sure this is the right place to learn English.

I dont know the correct usage of "said" and "told".

Pls tell me when and where i have to use "Said" /"told"


I told him(Sam) that Ron will come tomorrow ( correct?)

"Ron will come tomorrow " i said to Sam (correct?)

can i use like this :

I said that Ron will come tomorrow ( here i want to inform the listner that i have told this to Sam)


Thanks in advance
Smartraja

[blacknomi]

I told him(Sam) that Ron will come tomorrow ( correct?)

Correct.

"Ron will come tomorrow " i said to Sam (correct?)

Correct. But don't forget to capitalize the first person sigular and put a comma after 'tomorrow.' :)

I said that Ron will come tomorrow ( here i want to inform the listner that i have told this to Sam)

If you want to express the idea in your parentheses, here are some alternatives,
==> I've told Sam that Ron will come tomorrow. ( This sounds the best)
==> "Ron will come tomorrow," I said.
==> "Ron will come tomorrow," I said to Sam.


Your original sentence would make me think you are giving an opinion. And this is different from what you wanted to say.
==> I say that Ron will come tomorrow.
==> I think that Ron will come tomorrow.


I think someone will have something to add if this is incomplete. Just hold on to your posts. 8)

[Francois]

Your original sentence would make me think you are giving an opinion. And this is different from what you wanted to say.
==> I say that Ron will come tomorrow.
==> I think that Ron will come tomorrow.

Not sure what you mean. I don't think there's a difference.

Say:
I said that Ron will come tomorrow (here I want to inform the listener that I have told Sam about this)


FRC

[blacknomi]

Your original sentence would make me think you are giving an opinion. And this is different from what you wanted to say.
==> I say that Ron will come tomorrow.
==> I think that Ron will come tomorrow.

Not sure what you mean. I don't think there's a difference.

Say:
I said that Ron will come tomorrow (here I want to inform the listener that I have told Sam about this)


FRC

I think/believe that
I said that he would probably not die for 80 years.
I say that Ron will come tomorrow.

His original meaning was to say something to someone, not just an opinion.

[Francois]

It may be an opinion, or may not.
I said X
"X" I said
I think they've the same meaning most of the time.

FRC

[smartraja]

Thanks for your reply.

My doubt is whether i'll be able to form a sentance like this

"I said to Sam that Ron will come tomorrow."

is it ok to have THAT with said ?


One more thing

When i have to use these sentences , i mean on which occasion it would be appropriate to use form 1 and form 2.
Form 1: "I told Sam that Ron will come tomorrow "
Form 2: "Ron will come tomorrow" , I said to Sam.

Thanks,
Smartraja.

[smartraja]

Your original sentence would make me think you are giving an opinion. And this is different from what you wanted to say.
==> I say that Ron will come tomorrow.
==> I think that Ron will come tomorrow.

Not sure what you mean. I don't think there's a difference.

Say:
I said that Ron will come tomorrow (here I want to inform the listener that I have told Sam about this)

Dear Francois,

If i write like
=> I said to Sam that "Ron will come tomorrow"

Is it an opinion.i dont think so, i have informed Sam about Ron's arrival tomorrow.

Pls correct me if i'm wrorng.
If i write like this :
=> "I say that Ron will come tomorrow. "

This is my opinion abt Ron's arrival . But if i use Said in place of Say... will it be a opinion or a Fact.

Thanks
Smartraja.

[blacknomi]

It may be an opinion, or may not.

Agreed. :)

[blacknomi]

My doubt is whether i'll be able to form a sentance like this

"I said to Sam that Ron will come tomorrow."

is it ok to have THAT with said ?

I said to Sam that Ron...
I said to Sam Ron...
Both are correct, 'that' is optional.

When i have to use these sentences , i mean on which occasion it would be appropriate to use form 1 and form 2.
Form 1: "I told Sam that Ron will come tomorrow "
Form 2: "Ron will come tomorrow" , I said to Sam.

For me, both can be used.
But if I write a novel, I prefer form 2 to make my articles more interesting.

Josh told me he loves me. This may be just a statement.
"I love you," Josh said to me. This one sounds more beautiful, doesn't it?

:)