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The quick and the dead, cease and desist, pros and cons, last but not least, etc., etc., is there a name for this kind of things?
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The quick and the dead, cease and desist, pros and cons, last but not least, etc., etc., is there a name for this kind of things?
pros and cons is an idiom as far as I know. Not too sure about the rest.
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The quick and the dead, cease and desist, pros and cons, last but not least, etc., etc., is there a name for this kind of things?
You could call them "and expressions" "and collocations" "and idioms"

http://www.eli.ubc.ca/teachers/lesso...oms/index.html


Everyday Idioms: Pairs of words joined with 'and' (Intermediate)

http://www.eli.ubc.ca/teachers/lesso...ms/And_int.pdf

Everyday Idioms: Pairs of words joined with 'and' (Advanced)

http://www.eli.ubc.ca/teachers/lesso...ms/and_adv.pdf
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pros and cons is an idiom as far as I know. Not too sure about the rest.
the quick and the dead. the living and the dead.
cease and desisit. stop
last but not least. although it is the last one i am talking about, it is not the least important one.
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thanks, you gave me a trove of information. So you just call it "expression?" There is no special grammatical term except perhaps "collocation?"
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pros and cons is an idiom as far as I know. Not too sure about the rest.
the quick and the dead. the living and the dead.
cease and desisit. stop
last but not least. although it is the last one i am talking about, it is not the least important one.
Well, I guess I'd call it an expression. It's not exactly an idiom because the words can be taken literally.

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/defi...&dict=CALD

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last but not least

importantly, despite being mentioned after everyone else:

I would like to thank my publisher, my editor and, last but not least, my husband.
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thanks again.
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thanks, you gave me a trove of information. So you just call it "expression?" There is no special grammatical term except perhaps "collocation?"
The University of British Columbia calls them "and idioms". I would just call them "expressions". There is no special grammatical term for this sort of thing that I know of.

I would just as soon go with "collocation". I like that, "collocation".
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