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20-Sep-2004, 04:15
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Originally Posted by X Mode You are there. I am here. Everybody is there, and everybody is here. But that's neither here nor there.
Have you heard or read that one before? "That's neither here nor there."  :D | No idea, Sir. Is that a song or poem?
But I do read the this there, "where are you from?", and found Proud and you are both here and there. [Important and relevant]  |
20-Sep-2004, 04:42
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Originally Posted by X Mode You are there. I am here. Everybody is there, and everybody is here. But that's neither here nor there.
Have you heard or read that one before? "That's neither here nor there." :D | No idea, Sir. Is that a song or poem?
But I do read the this there, "where are you from?", and found Proud and you are both here and there. [Important and relevant] |
Proudtobe thinks she is here, but I'm here. She's there. I think you're over there. There's a chance I could be over here if I'm not here. Are you there? :D
No, it's not a song. It's just an expression. http://dictionary.cambridge.org/defi...&dict=CALD http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=8&q=here
Idiom:
neither here nor there
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20-Sep-2004, 15:33
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Originally Posted by blacknomi 1. My parents both are teachers. :( (Why? )
2. You both are correct. :D | In 2., 'both' defines 'You' as plural (Note that, 'You' is ambiguous. It can be singular or plural in number), whereas in 1., 'both' defines 'My parents' as two people. A tad redundant, wouldn't you agree? In terms of nature, we have but two parents. :D | Okay. I'm going to go back by time machine. :( Quote: |
Originally Posted by Casiopea Question to ponder
Given 1., what's the function of both in 2. and 3.?
1. Both Pete and Josh are nice. (Conjunction)
2. Pete and Josh both are nice.
3. Pete and Josh are both nice. | 2. Adjective.
3. I don't know. Could be a adverb because it comes after be verb. Given from the example sentence, then compare:
4. Pete and Josh both are nice.
5. My parents both are teachers.
==> I do agree since 'both' indicates two different references, it COULD be a tad redundant, however, I would prefer to say that 'both' functions as an emphasis over the two different things(rather than unnecessary redundancy).
What about?
My children, Pete and Josh, are both nice. :D
My children, Pete and Josh, both are nice. | Cas?  |
20-Sep-2004, 19:15
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Originally Posted by X Mode Yes, "you" is only part of the complete subject. It's the object of "of". Both of us definitely agree on that.
:D | Where am I? | You are there. I am here. Everybody is there, and everybody is here. But that's neither here nor there.
Have you heard or read that one before? "That's neither here nor there." :D | Where do you read that's neither here nor there ?
I am going to sleep now . | I've heard it, and I've said it. http://dictionary.cambridge.org/defi...&dict=CALD http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=here | That means something is insignifiant |
22-Sep-2004, 11:02
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a. Pat and Sam are both nice. (Pronoun)
b. They are both nice. (Pronoun)
c. Both are nice. (Pronoun)
d. [b]Both[b] of them are nice. (Pronoun/Substansive)
e. Pat and Sam are both single and nice. (Conjunction)
f. He is (pretending to be) both candidates. (Adjective)
Ambiguity
Pat and Sam are both single and nice.
=> Is it that, Both Pat and Sam are single and nice or that Pat and Sam are both single and nice?
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Both Pat and Sam are single and nice. :D
Pat and Sam both are single and nice. :D
Pat and Sam are both single and nice. (Intonantion) :D
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22-Sep-2004, 16:34
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It's crystal clear now. Thank you very much, my Cassie. <many hugs> :D
I might have another question about 'both', I'll see if I had any and will let you know. :) |
22-Sep-2004, 16:40
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X Mode, thank you as always.
:D :D  :D :D |
22-Sep-2004, 21:52
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Originally Posted by blacknomi X Mode, thank you as always.
:D :D :D :D | You're welcome as always.
:D
I'll be a bit slow with replies over the next few days - I think. Talk to you later.
:D :) 8) |
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You're welcome. :D |
23-Sep-2004, 02:13
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Originally Posted by blacknomi It's crystal clear now. Thank you very much, my Cassie. <many hugs> :D
I might have another question about 'both', I'll see if I had any and will let you know. :) | So, you'll see if you have any, and then you'll let her know, right?
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