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Old 29-Oct-2004, 11:40
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You're welcome. :D

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What do these mean? Which one do I use?
1. Thank you very much for the detail information guys.
2. Thank you very much for the detailed information guys.
2. Test: What kind of information? Detailed (adjective)

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I still don't really understand why this is wrong:
3. Her beauty is beyond compared.
It's a "be" structure, yes, but notice 'is' and 'compared' are separated by another word, 'beyond'.

EX: ...is beyond compare.

'beyond' is a preposition and as a preposition it has its own rules to follow: It takes an object.

EX: ...is beyond _______. (Object)

The word 'compare', without '-d', is both a verb and a noun, and if we add '-d' it becomes a past participle.

Verb/Noun: compare => Past participle: compared

Past participles cannot functions as objects, but nouns can, so that's why the noun compare is used instead of the participle compared.

EX: ...is beyond compare. (Noun) :D
EX: ...is beyond compared. (Adjective) :(

Lastly,

She is so beautiful that her beauty cannot be compared to anything.

'compared' is next to 'be'. :wink:
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Old 29-Oct-2004, 11:54
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It's a "be" structure, yes, but notice 'is' and 'compared' are separated by another word, 'beyond'.
This was very useful. :)

What do these mean?
1. This was very useful. (At the time I read it?)
2. This is very useful. (fact?)
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It's a "be" structure, yes, but notice 'is' and 'compared' are separated by another word, 'beyond'.
This was very useful. :)

What do these mean?
1. This was very useful. (At the time I read it?)
2. This is very useful. (fact?)
1. Right. :D At the time of reading. Note that, it could also mean, It was useful at the time, but it is no longer useful to me now. Pragmatics!Be careful.

2. Right. :D It's a fact; a general truth.
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Old 29-Oct-2004, 12:18
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Are these correct? If not, why?
1. You are welcome.
2. You are welcomed. (I know this is wrong, but why? How do you know which words don't follow the to-be rule?)

What do these mean? Which one would I use?
3. How do you know which words don't follow the to-be rule?
4. How do you know which word doesn't follow the to-be rule?

Are these correct? What do they mean?
5. How do you know which words don't follow the to-be rule?)
6. How do you know which words that don't follow the to-be rule?)
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Are these correct? If not, why?
1. You are welcome.
2. You are welcomed. (I know this is wrong, but why? How do you know which words don't follow the to-be rule?)
Good question, but I wouldn't feel comfortable guessing at the solution without having first written a thesis on the Semantics of Past Participles. Sorry. The function & distribution of predicate adjectives has a great deal to do with a word's origin: (a) Is it derived from a verb or a noun? and (b) what language was the word borrowed/adopted from (i.e., in this case, 'welcome' comes from German).

You are welcome to ask/come again. (ACTIVE, adjective)
You are (being) welcomed (by us) into our home. (PASSIVE, past participle)

3. OK
4. OK
5. Not OK. Try, words don't / word doesn't
6. Too many subjects.

How do you know which words don't (OK)
How do you know the words that don't (OK. relative phrase)
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Oops! I edited your post by mistake. Sorry. See my response below.

You're welcome. :D

3. and 5. are exactly the same.
6. ...words (Subject) don't (Verb)...
3. She is self-employed. (OK; hypenated word)
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6. Too many subjects.
What did you mean by too many subjects before?
(6. How do you know which words that don't follow the to-be rule?)
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I'm too confused to remember. Sorry. :?
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3. She is self-employed. (OK; hypenated word)
Is this correct?
1. She is beyond-compared. (If not, why?)
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Prepositions (i.e., beyond) don't usually function as adjectives (i.e., beyond-compared is not an English word).
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