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Old 30-Aug-2008, 14:10
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Default use of 'whom'

Do the following sentences have the same meaning?

- You must stand up for the freedom of others with whom you disagree.
- You must stand up for the freedom of others that you disagree.

If yes, which one would a native speaker prefer?
If no, why?

May I also know more about the use of 'preposition'+'whom', such as 'for whom' and 'to whom'. How to determine which preposition should be used when I use such sentence structure?
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Old 30-Aug-2008, 15:22
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- You must stand up for the freedom of others with whom you disagree.
- You must stand up for the freedom of others that you disagree with.
Now they mean the same.
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Do the following sentences have the same meaning?

- You must stand up for the freedom of others with whom you disagree.
- You must stand up for the freedom of others that you disagree.

If yes, which one would a native speaker prefer?
If no, why?

May I also know more about the use of 'preposition'+'whom', such as 'for whom' and 'to whom'. How to determine which preposition should be used when I use such sentence structure?
A more natural sentence is 'You must stand up for the freedom of those you disagree with.'
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- You must stand up for the freedom of others with whom you disagree.
- You must stand up for the freedom of others that you disagree with.
Now they mean the same.
hi!
isn't it considered gramatically incorrect to end a sentence with a preposition?
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isn't it considered gramatically incorrect to end a sentence with a preposition?
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Not in this situation, no.
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Not in this situation, no.
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could you please provide some examples in which it's wrong to use the preposition in the end of the sentence?
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Old 30-Aug-2008, 19:17
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could you please provide some examples in which it's wrong to use the preposition in the end of the sentence?
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Where are you at?
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Where are you at?
That sounds normal if the stress is on at.
It means "What planet are you on?"
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Old 30-Aug-2008, 22:11
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isn't it considered gramatically incorrect to end a sentence with a preposition?
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No, it was about a hundred years ago.
It would cause you less trouble just to forget that rule.
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