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02-Jan-2009, 15:02
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Current Location: Kuwait First Language: Arabic Member Type: Student or Learner | | Sun, Sand, and Sea. The final Comma! Which is more correct:
1. Sun, Sand , and Sea.
2. Sun, Sand and Sea.
I think number 1 is, because not putting a comma makes sand and sea one thing as opposed to sun. While putting a comma after each one shows that each of the three has its own entity.
Someone told me, that you don't have to be so accurate, and people are used in English to not putting a comma before the last "and" in a phrase like this one.
Then this example came to my mind:
Coke, burger, fish, and chips
Coke, burger, fish and chips, and smoothie
"Fish, and chips" are just two different thing
while "fish and chips" is a plate on its own.
So, what do you think? Do you agree to my point to f view that a comma is a must before the final and?
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02-Jan-2009, 15:06
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Current Location: France First Language: English Member Type: English Teacher | | Re: Sun, Sand, and Sea. The final Comma! No, I don't agree, it should be 'Sun, sand and sea.' | | The Following User Says Thank You to bhaisahab For This Useful Post: | | 
02-Jan-2009, 17:44
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Current Location: North Carolina First Language: English Member Type: Other | | Re: Sun, Sand, and Sea. The final Comma! There was the sun, the sand, and the sea. And there was you and me. | | The Following User Says Thank You to RonBee For This Useful Post: | | 
02-Jan-2009, 20:21
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Current Location: Pennsylvania, USA First Language: English (American) Member Type: Other | | Re: Sun, Sand, and Sea. The final Comma! That final comma, before the "and" is called the serial or Oxford comma. I always use it.
It's a matter of style whether to use it or not when you have a simple list like yours. Just be consistent. Don't say I love the sand, sea, and salt of the ocean in one place and then say I visited Italy, Grecece and Turkey in the next place.
Sometimes it adds clarity. Say that "peas and carrots" is one dish.
My favorite vegetables are corn, peas and carrots, and yellow squash.
In this case, the final comma adds clarity. | | The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Barb_D For This Useful Post: | | 
03-Jan-2009, 01:48
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Current Location: Oakland County, Michigan First Language: American English Member Type: Academic | | Re: Sun, Sand, and Sea. The final Comma! Toast, bacon and eggs. | | The Following User Says Thank You to susiedqq For This Useful Post: | | 
03-Jan-2009, 08:47
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Current Location: Kuwait First Language: Arabic Member Type: Student or Learner | | Re: Sun, Sand, and Sea. The final Comma! Quote:
Originally Posted by Barb_D That final comma, before the "and" is called the serial or Oxford comma. I always use it.
It's a matter of style whether to use it or not when you have a simple list like yours. Just be consistent. Don't say I love the sand, sea, and salt of the ocean in one place and then say I visited Italy, Grecece and Turkey in the next place.
Sometimes it adds clarity. Say that "peas and carrots" is one dish.
My favorite vegetables are corn, peas and carrots, and yellow squash.
In this case, the final comma adds clarity. | Thanks :) | 
03-Jan-2009, 12:38
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Current Location: France First Language: English Member Type: English Teacher | | Re: Sun, Sand, and Sea. The final Comma! The serial comma (also known as the Oxford comma or Harvard comma) is the comma used immediately before a grammatical conjunction (nearly always and or or; sometimes nor) that precedes the last item in a list of three or more items. The phrase "Portugal, Spain, and France", for example, is written with the serial comma, while "Portugal, Spain and France", identical in meaning, is written without it. [1][2][3]
There is no global consensus among writers or editors on the use of the serial comma. [4] Most authorities on American English recommend its use, but it is not so frequently used in British English (see extended treatment below, including a survey of published recommendations in Usage and subsequent sections). In many languages (e.g., French, [5] Italian, [6] Polish, [7] Spanish[8]) the serial comma is not normally used, although it may be employed in cases where it aids clarity or the prosody to be used when reading.
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03-Jan-2009, 13:17
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Current Location: Kuwait First Language: Arabic Member Type: Student or Learner | | Re: Sun, Sand, and Sea. The final Comma! Thanks everyone.
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