Forum newsfeeds
Forum Newsfeeds


Sites for Teachers

Sites for Teachers


Go Back   UsingEnglish.com ESL Forum > Learning English > Ask a Teacher

Notices

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 21-Dec-2004, 12:43
Unregistered
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Question "is no" vs "is not"

My wife constantly corrects me when I say things like "there is no reason..." or "there's no point..." etc. She tells me to say "there is not a reason..." or "there is not a point."

However, when I do a Google search for 'english gramar "there is no reason"', I get a number of links to English-related websites like this one where the "experts" are using these terms.

Getting to the point: Is it ok to say "there is no reason..."?

-Tim Kramer


P.S. (Yes, I know my question mark is on the wrong side of the quote, but I am a computer scientist and it makes more sense to me that way).
Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 21-Dec-2004, 14:05
Casiopea's Avatar
VIP Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Country: Canada
Posts: 12,997
Current Location: China
First Language: English
Thanks: 0
Thanked 24 Times in 24 Posts
Casiopea is on a distinguished road
Default Re: "is no" vs "is not"

Quote:
Originally Posted by Unregistered
My wife constantly corrects me when I say things like "there is no reason..." or "there's no point..." etc. She tells me to say "there is not a reason..." or "there is not a point."

However, when I do a Google search for 'english gramar "there is no reason"', I get a number of links to English-related websites like this one where the "experts" are using these terms.

Getting to the point: Is it ok to say "there is no reason..."?

-Tim Kramer


P.S. (Yes, I know my question mark is on the wrong side of the quote, but I am a computer scientist and it makes more sense to me that way).
Well, tech. . .nically, she's right but you're right about the placement of the question mark. The question mark is not part of 'there is no reason', so it should be outside the quotation marks.

About 'no' and 'not'. Here's the whathaveyouz. "I have" means, I possess, whereas "I have no shoes" means, I possess nothing, which sounds pretty much OK first glance, but at the root of the semantics, what's actually being expressed is a contradiction: I have something but that something doesn't exist. How can you have something that doesn't exist? I believe that's the meaning your wife is drawing on when she says, "Say, There is not a reason."

The same holds true for the verb "is", which expresses existence. "There is no reason" expresses a contradiction: There exists a thing, and it's a non-thing. Now how can a non-thing exist?

To avoid the contradiction, speakers add 'not' to the verb, like this,

There isn't a reason.

By adding 'not' to the verb, we negate the verb, so a positive expression "is" (exists) becomes a negative expression "isn't" (does not exist). 'a reason' is a thing that doesn't exist.

Now that's not to say that "There is no reason" is not acceptable, i.e., not used by native speakers, because you're a native speaker, as am I, and we both, among many others, including G.W. Bush, say it. So is it unacceptable? Well, that all depends on whether or not you want to argue the semantics of it all.

In short, tech. . .nically, "isn't a reason" is semantically clear, whereas 'no reason' is semantically awkward. But 'no reason' is shorter, and speakers seem to know what it means, so it's effective in terms of communicating your wants and needs. If you like it, use it, and if you come across someone who doesn't like it, then you could always respond with, "Semantics!"
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
quotis, noquot, notquot

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


New To Site? Need Help?

All times are GMT. The time now is 04:21.


vBulletin, Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.2.0 RC5
Copyright © 2002 - 2008 UsingEnglish.com