[Grammar] Needn't have done/Didn't have to/Didn't need to.

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Hi,
there is a slight differences between these three examples:
1-Needn't have done
2-Didn't have to
3-Didn't need to

1- He needn't have taken a taxi:the action took place but it was unnecessary, so, he took a taxi but it was not necessary, maybe he was not late.

2-Didn't have to: the action did not take place because it was unnecessary, thus, He did not take the taxi .

Could you please tell me the meaning of the third sentence?
Thank you in advance.
 
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As an American, I'm not likely to say #1 at all. I'd use #3 to say that I did something that turned out to be unnecessary.

However, I might also use #3 when I didn't do it at all.

A: You're here earlier than you thought you'd be!
B: Yes, it turns out I didn't need/have to stop by the grocery store after all.
 

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Hi,
there is a slight differences between these three examples:
1-Needn't have done
2-Didn't have to
3-Didn't need to

1- He needn't have taken a taxi:the action took place but it was unnecessary, so, he took a taxi but it was not necessary, maybe he was not late. Yes.

2-Didn't have to: the action did not take place because it was unnecessary, thus, He did not take the taxi. Yes.

Could you please tell me the meaning of the third sentence? "He didn't take a taxi because it wasn't necessary" or "He took a taxi even though it wasn't necessary". Depending on context.
Thank you in advance.
My BrE understanding.
 

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1- He needn't have taken a taxi:the action took place but it was unnecessary, so, he took a taxi but it was not necessary, [STRIKE]maby[/STRIKE] maybe he was not late.
I agree.

2-Didn't have to: the action did not take place because it was unnecessary, thus, He did not take the taxi .
One possible meaning. Another is that he did it (perhaps because he wanted to) but there had been no obligation for him to do it,

Could you please tell me the meaning of the third sentence?
Similar to #2. EITHER there was no necessity, so he didn't to it, OR there was no necessity but he did it anyway.
Context is everything.
 

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I needn't have posted my response - bhai had aready written his.
 

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2-Didn't have to: the action did not take place because it was unnecessary, thus, He did not take the taxi. Yes.

Could you please tell me the meaning of the third sentence? "He didn't take a taxi because it wasn't necessary" or "He took a taxi even though it wasn't necessary". Depending on context.

Can't (2) also be dependent on the context?

I didn't have to (/need to) take a taxi, so I didn't.
I didn't have to (/need to) take a taxi, but the weather was horrible, so I did.
 

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I needn't have posted my question - 5jj answered it before I actually asked it. WRR
 

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A: You're here earlier than you thought you'd be!
B: Yes, it turns out I didn't need/have to stop by the grocery store after all.They have the same meaning

"He didn't take a taxi because it wasn't necessary" or "He took a taxi even though it wasn't necessary". Depending on context.In some exercise they give you only sentences like those which I had written above without any context.//I had forgotten to write the sentence.He didn't need to take a taxi./

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2-Didn't have to: the action did not take place because it was unnecessary, thus, He did not take the taxi .
One possible meaning. Another is that he did it (perhaps because he wanted to) but there had been no obligation for him to do it,:-? It has two meanings

I needn't have posted my response - bhai had aready written his.you posted your thread despite the fact that Mr.bhai had aready answered my question.

I needn't have posted my question - 5jj answered it before I actually asked it. WRR .
Thanks all of you for your examples and answers.
So, to sum up the third example has the same meaning of the second one, as sentences witout context.
 

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I might also use #3 when I didn't do it at all.
 

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Note also that 'didn't have to' can be used sarcastically with a different meaning - you did something. and I didn't want you to: 'You didn't have to tell her.... Now we'll have to start all over again with someone else. And this time, keep your mouth shut.'

This sort of sarcasm affects other modals:

Teacher: You should have been here half an hour ago.
Late pupil: Why Miss? What happened?

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Note also that 'didn't have to' can be used sarcastically with a different meaning - you did something. and I didn't want you to: 'You didn't have to tell her.... Now we'll have to start all over again with someone else. And this time, keep your mouth shut.Is it a part of the example?'

This sort of sarcasm affects other modals:

Teacher: You should have been here half an hour ago.
Late pupil: Why Miss? What happened?

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New information:up:.
Thank you ver much my teacher Bob.
Have a nice day,
 

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Yes, it is all part of the example - giving the context (of displeasure/annoyance) behind the usage. (I was a bit lazy about explaining the context - in fact, I left it to your imagination!)

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Yes, it is all part of the example - giving the context (of displeasure/annoyance) behind the usage. (I was a bit lazy about explaining the context - in fact, I left it to your imagination!ok, as you wish)

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Thank you again.
All the best for you teacher,
 
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