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    Hi there
    Is there 'the' necessary in the following sentence?

    As usual, Dora received the first prize in the swimming contest. It is the third consecutive year that she has won.

    tks
    pete

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    Yes, its necessary because the first prize is unique.

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    It sounds perfectly natural to my ears to omit the "the."

    She won first place. The took frist prize.

    Perhaps an American feature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barb_D View Post
    It sounds perfectly natural to my ears to omit the "the."
    Probably youre right. Im not a native speaker, but Id use "the" in that sentence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter123 View Post
    Hi there
    Is there 'the' necessary in the following sentence?

    As usual, Dora received the first prize in the swimming contest. It is the third consecutive year that she has won.

    tks
    pete
    No, it's probably more common without the 'the'.
    In fact the first prize given often goes to the 3rd place getter. The first prize winner often receives theirs last.
    That ambiguity doesn't exist if you say "Dora received first prize".

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter123 View Post
    Hi there
    Is there 'the' necessary in the following sentence?

    As usual, Dora received the first prize in the swimming contest. It is the third consecutive year that she has won.

    tks
    pete
    Finally, I've found the answer.

    first prize/place
    the prize that is given to the best person or thing in a competition
    win/take first prize
    She won first prize in a painting competition.
    My jam won first prize at the county fair.
    first prize/place of
    There is a first prize of 10,000.

    Although I haven't accepted it yet, I must admit it.
    The problem is that I associate the sentence with a headline.
    X wins first prize


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    hi there,

    I don't understand this:

    No, it's probably more common without the 'the'.
    In fact the first prize given often goes to the 3rd place getter. The first prize winner often receives theirs last.
    That ambiguity doesn't exist if you say "Dora received first prize".

    tks

    pete

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    Quote Originally Posted by peter123 View Post
    hi there,

    I don't understand this:

    No, it's probably more common without the 'the'.
    In fact the first prize given often goes to the 3rd place getter. The first prize winner often receives theirs last.
    That ambiguity doesn't exist if you say "Dora received first prize".

    tks

    pete
    Consider, say, Miss Universe. The first prize announced and given out (usually a sash, etc.) goes to the third place getter.
    Then the second prize getter is announced. Coincidentally, she gets the second prize given as well as second prize.
    The winner receives the third prize given, but that is first prize, the title.
    That is the ambiguity.

    Have a competition with little kids, and give them all prizes in reverse order of achievement like this, then try to explain to the last child to be given a prize that they actually won! Children have problems with abstractions like this.

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    "As usual, Dora received the first prize in the swimming contest. It is the third consecutive year that she has won."
    First is ordinal. One, two, three are cardinal numbers. First, second, third are ordinal numbers. There are three men standing in a line there. The first and the second are my close friends. When you are using an ordinal number it is mandatory to use the definite article 'the' before that. The 'the' found in all the three places are correct and necessary.
    best of luck, nanucbe

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    Quote Originally Posted by nanucbe View Post
    When you are using an ordinal number it is mandatory to use the definite article 'the' before that.
    Not in English.
    "Dora received first prize" is correct English.

    I received first place in the exam.
    Do you want second choice?
    That horse always comes fourth!

    You can use "the", but in many sentences, it is not mandatory.

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