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    usage of 'of' and 'then'

    Hi,

    Could you please resolve my following doubts?

    1. Elder and elderst are used only of persons, not of animals or things.

    In the above statement, I am not able to digest or, rather, understand as to why the preposition 'of' is the correct pick? I don't have any other preposition to replace 'of' (initially i thought 'for' but it might not be correct), but I am not able to understand the usage of 'of' as well. What does it mean in this context?

    2. What ought one to say then as each hardship comes? I was practicing
    for this, I was training for this.

    What is the importance of 'then' here when already a conjunction 'as', i feel, is enough? What parts of speech is 'then'? what is its meaning here?

    Thanks a lot in advance,

    Kiran

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    Re: usage of 'of' and 'then'

    Could anyone of you please help on this? Let me know if what I have written is not clear..

    Thanks,
    Kiran

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    Exclamation Re: usage of 'of' and 'then'

    Quote Originally Posted by kiranlegend View Post
    Hi,

    Could you please resolve my following doubts?

    1. Elder and elderst are used only of persons, not of animals or things.

    In the above statement, I am not able to digest or, rather, understand as to why the preposition 'of' is the correct pick? I don't have any other preposition to replace 'of' (initially i thought 'for' but it might not be correct), but I am not able to understand the usage of 'of' as well. What does it mean in this context?

    2. What ought one to say then as each hardship comes? I was practicing
    for this, I was training for this.

    What is the importance of 'then' here when already a conjunction 'as', i feel, is enough? What parts of speech is 'then'? what is its meaning here?

    Thanks a lot in advance,

    Kiran
    1) Elder is an adjective but in comparisons between two persons, elder means "older" but not necessarily "old": My elder sister is sixteen; my younger, twelve. In other contexts elder does denote relatively advanced age but with the added component of respect for a person's achievement, as: an elder statesman.an elder officer.

    So it can be said that it is used more or less as a title which is possed by a person and the preposition “of” denotes possession. On the other hand older and oldest can be used for persons, animals and thing. Here for is used instead of “of”



    2) Break the sentence into two clauses.
    • What ought one to say then?
    • as each hardship comes
    Here as is the conjunction and then acts as an adverb meaning; at that point of time.
    Last edited by sarat_106; 27-Aug-2009 at 06:58.

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    Re: usage of 'of' and 'then'

    Thanks:)

    But I am still unable to understand the idea of using 'of', but not 'for', in the first sentence. Please, for my sake, elucidate:)

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    Exclamation Re: usage of 'of' and 'then'

    Quote Originally Posted by kiranlegend View Post
    Thanks:)

    But I am still unable to understand the idea of using 'of', but not 'for', in the first sentence. Please, for my sake, elucidate:)
    It is necessary to be clear about the specific uses the two prepositions “of” and “for


    One of its(of) use is to show possession, belonging or origin: as::
    • He is a friend of mine. (friend belonging to me)
    • The colour of his hair is dark. (hair possessed by him)
    • These are the complete plays of (= written by) Federico Garcia Lorca (origin of the complete plays)
    • These are the duties and responsibilities of an elder officer (duties and responsibilities possessed by elder officer)
    In sentence 4, of is used to show something possessed by elder officer. Since elder can not be used with animal or thing, you can not say: the needs of an elder pet or the needs of anelder plant but you can say . the needs of an older pet or the needs of an older plant

    Similarly ‘for’ is used often to show intention to give to; as:
    1. There's a phone message for you
    2. Caring for elder parents is a major concern of the family.
    3. The family has a great concern for the older pets.
    I hope this helps.

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    Re: usage of 'of' and 'then'

    Quote Originally Posted by kiranlegend View Post
    Thanks:)

    But I am still unable to understand the idea of using 'of', but not 'for', in the first sentence. Please, for my sake, elucidate:)
    "of" has this meaning:
    1. Elder and eldest are used only [as a descriptor] of persons, not [as a descriptor] of animals or things.

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    Re: usage of 'of' and 'then'

    ok ok.. got it!:) Thanks a lot.

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