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    Which are correct:
    1-He underwent torture to confess to a crime he hadn't committed.
    2-He underwent torture to make him confess to a crime he hadn't committed.

    3-He was tortured to confess to a crime he hadn't committed.
    4-He was torured to be forced to confess to a crime he hadn't committed.

    5-He was imprisoned to keep him safe.
    6-He was imprisoned to be kept safe.
    7-He was imprisoned to be safe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by navi tasan View Post
    Which are correct:
    1-He underwent torture to confess to a crime he hadn't committed. NO
    2-He underwent torture to make him confess to a crime he hadn't committed. Yes, it's grammatical. But I wouldn't write it this way.
    3-He was tortured to confess to a crime he hadn't committed.
    4-He was torured to be forced to confess to a crime he hadn't committed.

    I don't like any of them.
    He was tortured into confessing to a crime he hadn't committed.
    He was tortured to make him confess ...
    They tortured him into confessing
    to a crime ...
    They tortured him to make him confess ...

    5-He was imprisoned to keep him safe. Yes
    6-He was imprisoned to be kept safe. Yes
    7-He was imprisoned to be safe. NO

    You must realise that for all these sentences you are posting, 'Yes' or 'Correct' simply means they are grammatical and they make sense. Whether they mean what you think they do is another issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    You must realise that for all these sentences you are posting, 'Yes' or 'Correct' simply means they are grammatical and they make sense. Whether they mean what you think they do is another issue.
    Thanks a lot Raymott,

    It is kind of you to point that out. Although that is obvious, it might slip my mind.

    I don't see how in this case the sentences might have a meaning other than the ones I thought they have.
    To me, in these sentences, whoever put him in prison intended to keep him safe:
    "5-He was imprisoned to keep him safe. Yes
    6-He was imprisoned to be kept safe. Yes"

    In this case:

    "2-He underwent torture to make him confess to a crime he hadn't committed. Yes, it's grammatical. But I wouldn't write it this way."

    there is a problem. Apparently "to make him confess to a crime he hadn't committed" postmodifies "torture" and is not a purpose clause.

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    Quote Originally Posted by navi tasan View Post
    Thanks a lot Raymott,

    It is kind of you to point that out. Although that is obvious, it might slip my mind.
    I don't see how in this case the sentences might have a meaning other than the ones I thought they have.
    Maybe not, but you've been posting quite a few lately. It can't hurt to point it out, and it applies for other posters who just post a sentence and ask "Is this correct" - so that message isn't just for you. Anyhow, it's all part of the service. There's no extra charge.

    7-He was imprisoned to be safe.
    How about this one.
    This could mean the same as the others, or it could mean "He might be a criminal or he might not. Just to be safe, we'll put him in prison".

    In this case:
    "2-He underwent torture to make him confess to a crime he hadn't committed. Yes, it's grammatical. But I wouldn't write it this way."

    there is a problem. Apparently "to make him confess to a crime he hadn't committed" postmodifies "torture" and is not a purpose clause.

    You're possibly right. It's wrong in any case. It could imply that he voluntarily agreed to be tortured so that he could confess.
    R.

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