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    rather that or simply rather?

    Hi,

    I was wondering what would be more grammatically correct here:

    The paragraph reveals that nothing in Bertha's life is of particular importance to her, but rather everything is equally wonderful.
    or
    The paragraph reveals that nothing in Bertha's life is of particular importance to her, but rather that everything is equally wonderful.
    I think the first sentence reads more fluid, but almost seems to be missing something in that second clause. Adding in the word 'that' seems to read somewhat awkward for me, however.

    cheers,
    nap

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    Re: rather that or simply rather?

    I disagree. I think the second sentence proposed states 'clearly' that, "that everything is equally wonderful." If you didn't add 'that' into your sentence it would lead the reader of the subject. Does that make sense?

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    Re: rather that or simply rather?

    (R)ather is used to express an opposite opinion in "not-rather" patterns.

    Nothing () is ... but rather () is
    not reveal that ... but rather that

    Use your first example sentence.

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    Re: rather that or simply rather?

    Quote Originally Posted by naphelge View Post
    Hi,

    I was wondering what would be more grammatically correct here:


    or


    I think the first sentence reads more fluid, but almost seems to be missing something in that second clause. Adding in the word 'that' seems to read somewhat awkward for me, however.

    cheers,
    nap
    The second sentence is better.

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    Re: rather that or simply rather?

    reveals that ... but rather that?
    IMHO, the second sentence is ungrammatical.

    Where is the opposition then that 'rather' has to convey?

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    Re: rather that or simply rather?

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rather
    Function:adverb
    4 : to the contrary : instead <was no better but rather grew worse — Mark 5:26 (Revised Standard Version)>

    Merriam-Webster's Learner's Dictionary
    Function:adverb
    2 a —used to introduce a statement that indicates what is true after you have said what is not true

    The paragraph reveals that ((nothing in Bertha's life is of particular importance to her), but rather (everything is equally wonderful.))

    The paragraph reveals that nothing in Bertha's life is of particular importance to her,but rather (the paragraph reveals) that everything is equally wonderful.

    Both are acceptable to me.
    Last edited by ptetpe; 30-Jul-2009 at 12:52.

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    Re: rather that or simply rather?

    Quote Originally Posted by ptetpe View Post

    The paragraph reveals that ((nothing in Bertha's life is of particular importance to her), but rather (everything is equally wonderful.))

    The paragraph reveals that nothing in Bertha's life is of particular importance to her,but rather (the paragraph reveals) that everything is equally wonderful.
    Exactly! My sentiments, exactly. And now comes the definition:

    used to introduce a statement that indicates what is true after you have said what is not true.

    In light of what the the part in bold says, what makes you think the second sentence is okay?

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    Re: rather that or simply rather?

    The paragraph reveals that ((nothing in Bertha's life is of particular importance to her), but rather (everything is equally wonderful.))


    ...reveals that -(anything in Bertha's life is of particular importance to her), but rather +(everything is equally wonderful). = -X, but rather +Y

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    The paragraph reveals that nothing in Bertha's life is of particular importance to her,but rather (the paragraph reveals) that everything is equally wonderful.

    reveals that, but rather that = reveals X, but rather Y --> +, +
    and not -, +.

    The paragraph does not reveal ..., but rather does reveal --> -, +

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    Re: rather that or simply rather?

    Quote Originally Posted by svartnik View Post
    In light of what the the part in bold says, what makes you think the second sentence is okay?
    I am not good at math,mate:)
    My understanding is that the second clause is the writer's comment on what the paragraph really reveals.
    The paragraph reveals that nothing in Bertha's life is of particular importance to her,but rather (=to the contrary) (the paragraph is revealing) that everything is equally wonderful.

    Context will tell, I reckon.

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