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    Quote Originally Posted by Ataylor View Post
    Good to know I'm on track to understanding. I appreciate the help, guys. Thanks!

    And Soup, why is that cartoon ironic? I don't' get it.
    It's about the conflict between Christian fundamentalism/creationism and evolution. This fish in the water is a Jesus fish, and the fish on the sand is evolving into a land being. The fundamentalist fish can't evolve because it doesn't believe in it.

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    To qualify as irony, we must simply be led by a situation to imagine a person who is unaware of a relevant detail that we (and others) can see quite clearly.

    This is the classical definition, I believe (Gr.: eiron = a small, weak and clever talker who mocks the taller, stronger alazon without his knowledge)

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    Thanks Lady Hawk, Raymott, and to konungursvia for the help.

    I think instead of creating a new thread, I'll ask my questions in here. If people feel like helping and answering, that would be great.

    Is this ironic:

    Two singers: Mike and Tom

    Mike is a really good singer, while Tom is a really bad one.

    Tom has a -huge- ego and thinks he is Gods gift to the planet because of his singing "abilities", while Mike (who happens to be an amazing singer) has never boasted about his tremendous talent even once.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ataylor View Post
    Thanks Lady Hawk, Raymott, and to konungursvia for the help.

    I think instead of creating a new thread, I'll ask my questions in here. If people feel like helping and answering, that would be great.

    Is this ironic:

    Two singers: Mike and Tom

    Mike is a really good singer, while Tom is a really bad one.

    Tom has a -huge- ego and thinks he is Gods gift to the planet because of his singing "abilities", while Mike (who happens to be an amazing singer) has never boasted about his tremendous talent even once.
    Yes, I'd call that ironic.
    I'd find it more ironic if I had heard them talking about their talents first, and then heard them singing. The irony derives from the disparity between what one would normally expect from their self-assessments, and then learning the reality. That's situational irony.

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    Just remember that irony is simply receiving an end results other than what was expected..it is surprising.

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    No, that is not irony, it's just surprise. When I receive a Christmas present and had guessed its contents incorrectly, that's not irony. So I'm afraid I don't agree with that simplification.

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    So, if this:

    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    The irony derives from the disparity between what one would normally expect from their self-assessments, and then learning the reality.
    ...is irony. Then why can't this statement:

    Quote Originally Posted by konungursvia View Post
    When I receive a Christmas present and had guessed its contents incorrectly, that's not irony.
    ...be irony, as well?

    And this one, too:

    If I'm unwrapping a gift expecting (fully) that it is a key to a brand new car, and then come to realize that within the box are two cuff links, wouldn't that fit within this definition of irony:

    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    The irony derives from the disparity between what one would normally expect from their self-assessments, and then learning the reality.

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    This sounds like a good definition:

    "As a literary device, irony is a situation in which something seems to be one thing (or one way) and is actually another."


    I guess the word "seems" is what is missing when it comes to a gift. I can -assume- that the box contains car keys, but I guess that doesn't make it irony. What I believe (due to the above definition) irony would be is perhaps if the box was shaped like a car key and when opened, was something else? And maybe depending on what was inside of the box can make it more ironic somehow?

    As for the above singer, it -seemed- as if the singer with the bad voice would have a good voice due to his boasting, but then when he got on stage and sang his song, everyone was surprised to see that what he claimed was not the case.

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    If I'm unwrapping a gift expecting (fully) that it is a key to a brand new car, and then come to realize that within the box are two cuff links, wouldn't that fit within this definition of irony:

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    The irony derives from the disparity between what one would normally expect from their self-assessments, and then learning the reality.
    That wasn't an attempt at a definition.
    Your surprise also derives from the disparity between what you were expecting and what you received. But that's not a definition of surprise either.
    Last edited by Raymott; 03-Aug-2009 at 07:17.

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    Default Re: Is This Irony?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ataylor View Post
    This sounds like a good definition:

    "As a literary device, irony is a situation in which something seems to be one thing (or one way) and is actually another."

    You may want to see these definitions as well:

    What Is Irony? - Observations on Irony - Definitions, Interpretations, and Examples of Irony - Rhetorical Terms and Quotations

    What is Irony?

    WikiAnswers - What is irony

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