Why do you suppose native speakers of English sometimes seem to have such a hard time with noun clauses? What I hear sometimes I find rather odd. Or should I say amazing? I hear some people - on the radio and in person - who either get it wrong or fail at it altogether. For example, it seems that every other time I turn on the radio - NPR - I hear someone form a sentence in which "whether" ought to be used to connect two clauses, yet the speaker fails to do so. Why?
Here's another example of what I mean. Sometimes I hear people - yes native speakers of English - who will say something like this: Well, first of all, in order to follow through, we have to know what is our purpose and what is our goal.
I have a suspicion as to why some people, who are likely viewed as well-spoken nonetheless, form sentences like this when they speak. But I'd like to know what others have to say about this. And by the way, I don't believe that this is attributable to "spoken language". There's something else going on here.
Now, I can't be the only one who has noticed this noun clause phenomenon, can I? Can I?
Does anyone have any comments about this? Has anyone else noticed this noun clause phenomenon in their daily listenings both on the radio and in person?
Last edited by PROESL; 02-Aug-2009 at 06:29. Reason: typo edit
In order to participate in this discussion, I believe my two examples are sufficient for anyone who has a working knowledge of English grammar in the context of ESL.
You need not provide me with further insight on the grammar being used, as my understanding in this area is more than sufficient. I do thank you for offering, however. It is very kind of you.
I would just add once again that I don't feel hypercorrection and ellipsis are related to the topic which I posted here.
I thank you once again. You are very kind.
Here's another example of what I mean. Sometimes I hear people - yes native speakers of English - who will say something like this: Well, first of all, in order to follow through, we have to know what is our purpose and what is our goal. Originally Posted by PROESL
To me, this looks like something from a business presentation, perhaps to the board, where the speaker, possibly excellent at business but not terribly good with language, is trying to do two things; 1. Pad out his presentation to make it last the required time and seem substantial.
2. Use complicated sentences to impress his audience.
Deleted the text because this posted two times by mistake
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Well, first of all, in order to follow through, we have to know what is our purpose and what is our goal. - incorrect word order for a noun clause
Well, first of all, in order to follow through, we have to know what our purpose is and what our goal is. - correct word order for a noun clause
So, one might wonder why some native speakers of English seem to get this wrong from time to time.