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    Default The number of people who are learning Chinese is increasing.

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    - People who are learning Chinese are increasing.
    - The number of people who are learning Chinese is increasing.

    Are both grammatically correct? Would it be OK to say "There are more people learning Chinese"?

    Thank you.

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    Default Re: The number of people who are learning Chinese is increasing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Daruma View Post
    - People who are learning Chinese are increasing.
    No, people don't increase.

    - The number of people who are learning Chinese is increasing.
    Yes.

    Are both grammatically correct? Yes, but the first is not possible semantically.
    Would it be OK to say "There are more people learning Chinese"?
    No. To give your meaning, you'd have to say "There are more and more people learning Chinese"
    Otherwise you need to specify 'more than what?' because you only have the first part of a comparison. You need a 'than' phrase.

    "There are more people learning Chinese than Japanese"
    "There are more people learning Chinese than there were a year ago"
    "There are more people than cats learning Chinese"

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    Default Re: The number of people who are learning Chinese is increasing.

    nice.

    There are more people learning Japanese than ever before.
    There are more people learning Chinese as ever before.
    People learn Spanish as ever.


    Are they correct?

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    Default Re: The number of people who are learning Chinese is increasing.

    Quote Originally Posted by marciobarbalho View Post
    nice.

    There are more people learning Japanese than ever before. Yes
    There are more people learning Chinese as ever before. No.
    There are just as many people learning Chinese as before.

    People learn Spanish as ever.
    No
    There are as many people learning Spanish now as ever before.
    There are just as many people learning Spanish as before.

    There are just as many people learning Spanish as ever.


    more ... than (fewer ... than; less .. than)
    as ... as

    Are they correct?

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    Default Re: The number of people who are learning Chinese is increasing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Daruma View Post
    - The number of people who are learning Chinese is increasing.
    You could also have 'numbers'.

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    Default Re: The number of people who are learning Chinese is increasing.

    Are both grammatically correct? Would it be OK to say "There are more people learning Chinese"?
    Yes, that's correct. You could also simply say "More people are learning Chinese", leaving out "there".

    If you want to add emphasis, you could say "More and more people are learning Chinese".

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    Default Re: The number of people who are learning Chinese is increasing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tdol View Post
    You could also have 'numbers'.
    1. The number of people who are learning Chinese is increasing.
    2. The numbers of people who are learning Chinese is increasing.

    Are not only #1 but also #2 correct?

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    Default Re: The number of people who are learning Chinese is increasing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Daruma View Post
    The number of people who are learning Chinese is increasing.
    There's something else I just noticed that's worth adding.

    You can omit "who are", thereby reducing the clause to a phrase.

    The number of people who are learning Chinese is increasing.

    The number of people learning Chinese is increasing.

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    Default Re: The number of people who are learning Chinese is increasing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Daruma View Post
    1. The number of people who are learning Chinese is increasing.
    2. The numbers of people who are learning Chinese is increasing.

    Are not only #1 but also #2 correct?
    I would use "are increasing" in the second sentence.

    The numbers are increasing.


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    Default Re: The number of people who are learning Chinese is increasing.

    1. The number of homeless people has increased dramatically.
    2. The numbers of homeless people have increased dramatically.


    Do you say #2 to mean #1? I wonder if #2 is grammatically correct.


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    [C] ~ (of sb/sth) a quantity of people or things: A large number of people have applied for the job. The number of homeless people has increased dramatically. Huge numbers of (= very many) animals have died. A number of (= some) problems have arisen. I could give you any number of (= a lot of) reasons for not going. We were eight in number (= there were eight of us). Nurses are leaving the profession in increasing numbers. Sheer weight of numbers (= the large number of soldiers) secured them the victory. The course will have to be repeated owing to pressure of numbers (= too many students). staff / student numbers A plural verb is needed after a / an (large, small, etc.) number of ...

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