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    Question Importance of Subjectand Verb Agreement

    Hi,

    Why do we need to agree the verb with the subject? Why can it not be vice versa (subject agreeing with verb)?

    What is the relevance of subject and verb agreement? Why these rules are at all needed in English? What purpose do they solve? Why did they evlove on first place?

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    Default Re: Importance of Subjectand Verb Agreement

    Hello again,

    The grammar of the English has a Latin origin, and it is for this we have an agreement between the subject and the verb(s).

    Like Spanish or French, a lot of grammar rules come from the Roman alphabet.

    Hope it's help you.

    Have a sunny day.

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    Default Re: Importance of Subjectand Verb Agreement

    Quote Originally Posted by anupumh View Post
    Hi,

    Why do we need to agree the verb with the subject? Why can it not be vice versa (subject agreeing with verb)?
    It is probably better to say that they agree with each other. Sometimes the decisive information is provided by the subject, sometimes by the verb.

    "The children played" - subject is plural, verb is also understood as plural
    "The salmon are leaping" - verb is plural, subject is also understood as plural

    What is the relevance of subject and verb agreement? Why these rules are at all needed in English? What purpose do they solve? Why did they evlove on first place?

    Thanks
    They aren't really needed - lots of languages don't have them. (On the other hand, some languages have much more complicated systems than English.)

    Why did they evolve? Probably because of a tendency to combine verbs with pronouns. Imagine (non-standard English) "the fish they swim", and the redundant "they" being combined with the verb as "theyswim". After a period of time "they" would become a 3rd person plural subject agreement marker.

    We can't be sure that this happened in English (or rather in the ancient language from which English inherited its agreement system). But it has been observed happening in a lot of languages, and is probably our best guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The French View Post
    Hello again,

    The grammar of the English has a Latin origin, and it is for this we have an agreement between the subject and the verb(s).

    Like Spanish or French, a lot of grammar rules come from the Roman alphabet.

    Hope it's help you.

    Have a sunny day.
    I have read, English has a Germanic origin, old english was spoken by the germanic tribes which inhibited England.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anupumh View Post
    I have read, English has a Germanic origin, old english was spoken by the germanic tribes which inhibited England.
    That is correct. The language of the Anglo-Saxons was similar to German, and both are descended from a lost language known (to us) as "Proto-Germanic".

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    Quote Originally Posted by anupumh View Post
    I have read, English has a Germanic origin, old english was spoken by the germanic tribes which inhibited England.
    It's again the French,

    in fact the English is a mix between German and French, at the beginning the German invaded what we call now the England, but after the Roman take the place and after the man called 'Guillaume le Conquérant' a French guy who has stayed during a lot of time.

    And nowadays the English language have most words who come from the French (Example: question it is the same in French).

    Have a nice day.

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    It is true that English has borrowed a lot from French (and Latin), but nonetheless it is descended from the Germanic family, which is where most of its grammar and core vocabulary come from.

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    Well, English has more similarities with German than French, ex. syllable stress, English and German both are Stress Timed languages, however French is Syllable Timed, this is the one which comes to my mind now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by orangutan View Post
    It is true that English has borrowed a lot from French (and Latin), but nonetheless it is descended from the Germanic family, which is where most of its grammar and core vocabulary come from.
    Although it's true that English grammar is mostly from Germanic languages, the actual vocabulary of the language is another story, as well as words of scandinavian and celtic origin, about 50% (some say more) of English words are of French origin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anupumh View Post
    Well, English has more similarities with German than French, ex. syllable stress, English and German both are Stress Timed languages, however French is Syllable Timed, this is the one which comes to my mind now.
    Hello everybody,

    I tell you a little story, I was born in Portugal and I have learn German in the school during eight years, and Spanish.

    I know a little English but you can trust me, when I read English's newspapers I find a lot of French words.

    If we have a language expert about the semantic of English we arrive at the conclusion that most English'words come from Latin Origin like the French. (Ask yourselves one question how many time are England invaded by Roamn and French?).

    Don't forget I live in France but I am Portuguese.

    I believe I have 50% of chance to be right.

    Have a nice day. (don't hesitate to correct my mistakes).

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