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    Default Re: Pronounce the word NEWS as new-s or new-z?

    I know a rule that says that only words that end in voiceless sounds can be pronounced with a s.

    voiceless sounds: words with theses letters in the end:

    f -- like in tariff
    th - (voiceless) like in faith
    p -- like in top
    k -- like in back
    t -- like in clot

    sounds like any other word, when pluralised (if possible), gets a z sound in its end, sounds like, I am not sure.

    I don't rules much, but this one seems nice.

    I am neither a teacher nor an authority, but I would recommend to learn new sounds with our ears, not our eyes.

    First things first.

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    Default Re: Pronounce the word NEWS as new-s or new-z?

    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    Sorry, this cannot be right. Otherwise, we could not have pairs such as: lose/loose; Jews/juice; maze/mace; cause/course ...
    If all vowels are voiced (which they are), and all /s/ following a vowel also has to be voiced (which it doesn't), then the second of each of these pairs would not be legitimate English words.
    A simple search on Google gave me these links, which support my post..

    How to pronounce the "s" in "describes"? "s" sound or "z" sound? - Yahoo! Answers
    The "s" sound in "pals" and in other plural forms of other nouns

    I will excavate some more information on this and get back soon.

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    Default Re: Pronounce the word NEWS as new-s or new-z?

    Quote Originally Posted by Raymott View Post
    Sorry, this cannot be right. Otherwise, we could not have pairs such as: lose/loose; Jews/juice; maze/mace; cause/course ...
    If all vowels are voiced (which they are), and all /s/ following a vowel also has to be voiced (which it doesn't), then the second of each of these pairs would not be legitimate English words.
    No, he is right, but to be clear, the rule he is citing applies to final s in two morphological cases: plurals and third person singular nouns. Loose and course are not governed by this rule, and don't fit the case in question.

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    Default Re: Pronounce the word NEWS as new-s or new-z?

    Quote Originally Posted by konungursvia View Post
    No, he is right, but to be clear, the rule he is citing applies to final s in two morphological cases: plurals and third person singular nouns. Loose and course are not governed by this rule, and don't fit the case in question.
    No, the rule he has given is wrong. I think he is referring to cases where the /s/ follows a consonant, as in /bidz, bits/, /cadz, cats/, /bagz, baks/
    If that is the case, where anupumh's rule has "sound", it should read "consonant sound".
    marciobarbalho has come close to the proper rule.
    I was responding to the rule anupumh gave, and proved it wrong. Surely amending one's rule when one is shown to be wrong is better than trying to assert that you are correct in that face of obvious contradictions.
    I wouldn't bother with this, but the thread has 79 viewers already who might want to know the right answer.

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    Default Re: Pronounce the word NEWS as new-s or new-z?

    To the original poster Jiaruchan:

    It's news with a 'z' sound, never an 's'. In either US or UK English. Fancy rules aside, what it basically comes down to is the simple fact that the 'z' sound may essentially disappear or be obscured by the beginning sound of the next word. For example:

    "I've got some news some of you are not going to like."

    Good luck trying to hear the 'z' sound...you probably never will.

    Other than that, sometimes native speakers do get a little rough with the 'z' sound, and you may just be misinterpreting what you hear. But it really is 'z'. Trust me.

    (If you don't believe me, that's OK. Feel free to jump back into the slugfest.)

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    Last edited by dragn; 02-Sep-2009 at 18:30.

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    Default Re: Pronounce the word NEWS as new-s or new-z?

    Quote Originally Posted by jiaruchan View Post
    By the way, do they pronounce the word NOOSE like NEW-S, or NOO-S?
    compare:

    news ---> (nz, nyz)
    noose --> (ns)


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    Default Re: Pronounce the word NEWS as new-s or new-z?

    Quote Originally Posted by dragn View Post
    (If you don't believe me, that's OK. Feel free to jump back into the slugfest.)
    I think you're misunderstanding the nature of academic inquiry or discussion. No-one's fighting yet.

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    Default Re: Pronounce the word NEWS as new-s or new-z?

    A pox upon me. Continue.

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    Lightbulb Re: Pronounce the word NEWS as new-s or new-z?

    Three variations of –s/-es noun and verb endings

    If a word ends in a voiceless sound, the (plural or present tense or possessive) –s ending will be voiceless, too.

    ��Pat’s … cats … hates
    ��Pop’s … caps … flips
    ��Mick’s … cakes … makes
    ��Ralph’s … cliffs … coughs
    ��Ruth’s … myths

    If a word ends in a voiced sound, the (plural or present tense or possessive) –s ending will be voiced, too—and the vowel before the voiced consonant will be longer.

    ��Rudd’s … foods … fades
    (ru:dz … foo:dz … fe:idz)
    ��Bob’s … cabs … rubs
    (bah:bz … ca:bz … ru:bz)
    ��Meg’s … dogs … digs
    (me:gz … daw:gz … di:gz)
    ��Phil’s … dolls … feels
    (fi:lz … dah:lz … fee:lz)
    ��Tom’s … bombs … comes
    (tah:mz … bah:mz … cu:mz)

    If the word ends in a sibilant (hissing sound such as s, z, sh, ch, j, x, etc.), we add an extra syllable.

    ��Ross’s … sentences … misses
    ��Rose’s … noses … muses
    ��Trish’s … brushes … rushes
    ��Mitch’s … watches … catches
    ��Hodge’s … pages … rages
    ��Fox’s … boxes … fixes

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    Smile Re: Pronounce the word NEWS as new-s or new-z?

    If a word ends in the letter 's' (e.g. plural noun or verb in the third person), there are three ways to pronounce this 's' - /S/, /Z/ and /IZ/.

    1. Final 's'

    • Type one sound /S/

    In type one words, the final 's' should be pronounced with air pushed out between the top of your tongue and your top teeth, without using the vocal chords (the sound made by a snake or gas escaping from a pipe).

    Type one sounds are used if the word ends in the following sounds:

    Standard
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    symbols
    Viv's
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    symbols
    Example word
    /p/
    /P/
    stops, ships
    /t/
    /T/
    hits, pets
    /k/
    /K/
    attacks, bricks
    /f/
    /F/
    laughs, coughs
    /θ/
    /θ/
    maths, moths


    These sounds are all unvoiced, which means that your vocal chords must be silent when you make the sound.
    Type two sound /Z/

    This sound is formed in the same way as type 1, but you must make a sound with your vocal chords (the sound made by a bee, or high-voltage electricity)

    Type two sounds come after the following sounds:

    Standard
    phonetic
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    Viv's
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    symbols
    Example word
    /b/
    /B/
    grabs, robs
    /d/
    /D/
    lids, rods
    /g/
    /G/
    pigs, dogs
    /v/
    /V/
    loves, leaves
    /D/
    /DZ/
    breathes, lathes
    /l/
    /L/
    hills, fails
    /m/
    /M/
    comes, trams
    /n/
    /N/
    earns, burns
    /N/
    //
    songs, paintings
    any vowel sound
    any vowel sound
    plays, employees, flees, goes, news


    These sounds are all voiced, which means that your vocal chords must make a sound when you pronounce them.


    • Type three sound /IZ/

    This sound is the same as the verb 'to be' in its third person form (is). Type three sounds are the only ones which add an additional syllable to the word, for example 'miss' /MIS/ is one syllable, but 'misses' /MIS IZ/ is two syllables. The final /IZ/ syllable isn't usually stressed.


    Standard
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    symbols
    Viv's
    phonetic
    symbols
    Example word
    /s/
    /S/
    buses, places
    /z/
    /Z/
    chooses, sizes
    /∫/
    /SH/
    washes, wishes
    /t∫/
    /TCH/
    watches, matches
    /dƷ/
    /DJ/
    Judges, pages


    Words ending in 'y' usually have a type 3 sound, but there is no extra syllable e.g. 'copy' /KO PEE/ (2 syllables), 'copies' /KO PIZ/ (also 2 syllables)

    English pronunciation rules - sounds by Viv Quarry (www.vivquarry.com)

    Please check these links for further clarifications:

    http://www.usingenglish.com/forum/as...n-final-s.html
    Word Final /-s/ - Authentic American Pronunciation
    CCC Pronunciation Tips

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